Who's cues hit like (*&%?
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VonRhett said:
Oh Damn, no I didn't. That's hilarious. OK, sorry Mr. Brick. In that case, it's a GREAT break cue. I bet that thing is indestructible.
Kevin Brewer was using it as his playing cue -
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. True story. I swear, he loved it too. Boy is he gonna be embarassed. He shot really straight with it too. Brings to mind BAM BAM on the Flintstones.Chris
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RogerSLC-LV said:
Hey Roger,
You are absolutely correct... Ist cue out every year is #300...
The 1993 cue was the only #301 they started with.. (Which was a pau ferro cue with green veneers)
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
ribdoner said:
They are absolutely 1st class..
Some of nicest people in the business..
There aren't enough good words to describe Laurie...
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
Lol
Chris
I had an inkling when someone told me they had "one of those" Brick Diamondwood Breakers. Just imagine how good I must be with my BHQ! Whoops, maybe I best contact Brent to make sure I'm not playing with a jump stick or table leg or something.
More on how dumb I am. I had a cue maker look at the "missed stain" spot on my Black, and he explained that was a natural characteristic of that type of ebony and showed me a matching "spot" up on one of my prongs.
Kevin
TATE said:Oh Damn, no I didn't. That's hilarious. OK, sorry Mr. Brick. In that case, it's a GREAT break cue. I bet that thing is indestructible.
Kevin Brewer's was using it as his playing cue -
Chris
Chris
I had an inkling when someone told me they had "one of those" Brick Diamondwood Breakers. Just imagine how good I must be with my BHQ! Whoops, maybe I best contact Brent to make sure I'm not playing with a jump stick or table leg or something.
More on how dumb I am. I had a cue maker look at the "missed stain" spot on my Black, and he explained that was a natural characteristic of that type of ebony and showed me a matching "spot" up on one of my prongs.
Kevin
New cue
Delevered fresh and virgin. Hit terrable. Something I advise every one to listen to and do.
I called the maker and they suggested sending it back for a tip or having the tip changed locally.
Always call the maker.
He was right. Night and day. Tips can have bad spots in them. And when a great cue maker builds a cue they usually use the same tip. They can't all be good.
The tips can just make or break the hit of a mmonster cue if the pool gods deal you a bad one. And I really have laughed in the past hearing how one guy buys a new Bla Bla Bla and sells it because it didn't have the "hit".
The owner goes into panic mode and sells the cue-low. The new owner happens to play with a differant tip so they change it.
Abra Ca dabra ! The new owner is bragging about how sweet it is. Seen it over and over again.
When you buy a high end cue and the hit comes up short call the maker he just might suggest you try retippin before you do anything else. This goes double for new unhit cues.
Nick
bogey54311 said:i'm a decent player. i have been buying/trading/selling cues for years and years now. i have been able to play with EVERY maker on this earth. took a long time, but the ride has been a blast. i've tried every tip, breakcue, shaft, ferrule, yadayada. here is what i believe i have come up with.
hit is not that subjective.
quick story.......
this year i went to the DCC. i sold 4 gus szamboti's to a friend and delivered them to him there. he also brought 4 of his barry szamboti's with him for me to check out. we took them all one of the nights down to the tables to fool around with them. we both shoot with 314's, so we just kept swapping our one playing shaft with all the different szamboti's. he pulls the last barry out and tells me, for whatever reason, he can't make a ball with this cue. (this guy is a great open player by the way). now all the barry's and gus' that we tried hit about the same. i try the cue he has been having a problem with. guess what, this cue acts TOTALLY diferent. (all the cues had a piloted steel joint). i couldn't control the english as well, and there was more deflection for some reason. the cue had no rattles, nothing was loose. using the barry shaft, it did the same things. tapers seemed the same between the 8 cues. weird. (iv'e seen this type of thing before in other top makers also.) we had a few other people try it, and they all said the same thing.
(i have a million other stories like this, but i picked this on as my example)
i feel from my experience, as a player, and as a cue seller, that when you have an awesome, special, hitting cue, the better players can tell.
and when you have a cue that hits funny for whatever reason, the better players can tell also.
i could not have said these things 5 years ago, because i'm a better player now, and have tried tons and tons of more cues.
i believe when a cue hits good, it hits good.
people like different tapers, softer/harder hits, steel/flatfaced-big pin, i understand that.
but when you try a cue thats a little too stiff for your liking, but hits solid, you can't say thats a bad hitting cue. it's just not for you.
when i try to sell cues, i don't use the lines like "it hits a ton". i try to describe the hit. softer/harder, stiff/whippy, whatever, and let the consumer decide.
(here's where i get in trouble)
i think the lower handicapped players don't really know the difference between these cues.
not because they are dumb, or beginners, but that they have not had the experience.
would love to know what you guys think.
chris G<--------gonna make some people mad
Delevered fresh and virgin. Hit terrable. Something I advise every one to listen to and do.
I called the maker and they suggested sending it back for a tip or having the tip changed locally.
Always call the maker.
He was right. Night and day. Tips can have bad spots in them. And when a great cue maker builds a cue they usually use the same tip. They can't all be good.
The tips can just make or break the hit of a mmonster cue if the pool gods deal you a bad one. And I really have laughed in the past hearing how one guy buys a new Bla Bla Bla and sells it because it didn't have the "hit".
The owner goes into panic mode and sells the cue-low. The new owner happens to play with a differant tip so they change it.
Abra Ca dabra ! The new owner is bragging about how sweet it is. Seen it over and over again.
When you buy a high end cue and the hit comes up short call the maker he just might suggest you try retippin before you do anything else. This goes double for new unhit cues.
Nick
kvinbrwr said:
After that Brick, no wonder that BHQ felt so good.
Wow, I bet that BHQ has a leather tip and everything! I bet old Brent is wishing you would take back that sweeping endorsement now!Ok, let me put it in golf terms. I come up to the first hole at Bel Air and tee it up. I take out my club, take a nice long arc, make a nice turn, and hit my drive 300 yards - but it's straight up into the air. A few minutes later, the ball lands 10 feet in front of me. I look at my club and say "Damn, I love the feel of these Alien Wedges. Why do they call it a Wedge anyway?"
Chris
Feel??????
Chris
Feel ???? What's that?
Kevin
TATE said:After that Brick, no wonder that BHQ felt so good.
Ok, let me put it in golf terms. I come up to the first hole at Bel Air and tee it up. I take out my club, take a nice long arc, make a nice turn, and hit my drive 300 yards - but it's straight up into the air. A few minutes later, the ball lands 10 feet in front of me. I look at my club and say "Damn, I love the feel of these Alien Wedges. Why do they call it a Wedge anyway?"
Chris
Chris
Feel ???? What's that?
Kevin
A cue that I really didn't like was a McWorter that a friend had, it reminded me of a Bear cue (production cue company) that you couldn't get any action from the cueball draw shot was something off a trickshot. Worst jump break Cuetec and very close Sledgehammer II by McDermott especially for the money.
TATE said:
This thread has been totally enjoyable! Chris, I had the exact same experience with a Brick, and I made the same joke
I had heard such great things about them, that I was thrilled when I got a great deal on one on ebay - I opened the box at the pool hall, hit with it, couldn't believe it (I didn't like it)...but, a friend of mine was there, and he is a good player who plays with Motteys and Ginacues. He hit with the Brick, and paid me for it in cash right there on the spot - he loved it. I was stunned. Shortest period I ever owned a cue.I also don't like the hit of Cokers or Gilberts, but I know they are good cues because people who can crush me play with them, and have administered the crushings with those cues.
So yeah, if you are talking about a recognized good cuemaker, hit is subjective.
Cues that hit like !?
I think that I've made (converted) several cues that hit like s___ t but, then again who's counting those 
Actually, my favorites are TS, -R- and Bob Frey's....Richard makes a great hitting cue but, in all reality it's very subjective -- just my 3 cents
I think that I've made (converted) several cues that hit like s___ t but, then again who's counting those
Actually, my favorites are TS, -R- and Bob Frey's....Richard makes a great hitting cue but, in all reality it's very subjective -- just my 3 cents
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highly skilled cuemakers...stringent quality control
Ross, I don't beleive they have made over 125 in each of the last 3 years. Quite honestly I'm amazed that the SW crew is able to make that many with the help available. I think Laurie would like to get closer to caught up with back orders and steps are being taken to move in that direction. I can say with certainty that everyone involved at SW is dedicated to producing a high quality cue. Nothing is rushed. Their numbering system starts with 3xx-year. When was the last time you saw a 5xx SW?
Martin
Ross, I don't beleive they have made over 125 in each of the last 3 years. Quite honestly I'm amazed that the SW crew is able to make that many with the help available. I think Laurie would like to get closer to caught up with back orders and steps are being taken to move in that direction. I can say with certainty that everyone involved at SW is dedicated to producing a high quality cue. Nothing is rushed. Their numbering system starts with 3xx-year. When was the last time you saw a 5xx SW?
Martin
1pRoscoe said:
I can't tell you which cues hit like shit but I can tell you that Tim Scruggs cues hit like champions.
OK, my turn.
The one that stands out in my mind was a late 90's (98 or 99 I think) South West. It had Purple Heart Points, a Gaboon Ebony nose, and a single Holly veneer. It had a white w/double black speck wrap, 13 millimeter shafts and Triangle tips. This was a gorgeous cue. I remember just holding and staring at it for about 10 minutes when I took it out of the box. I had been a long time user and fan of steel jointed cues, but heard so much about South West's that I had to try one for myself. I couldn't wait to get to the pool room and take this dream cue for a spin!
As soon as I hit ONE ball with this cue I looked down at it to make sure I was playing with a cue and not a thick spaghetti noodle. After about a rack I switched shafts thinking it might have been a bad tip. Nope, same thing with the other shaft. Two bad tips? Nay again, as both those got changed with the same result.
I ended up selling the cue figuring "These Flat Faced cues are just not for me." My dream cue went to a good home with a guy that loved SW's, and owned about half a dozen of them already.
A few days later I get a call from the guy saying HE thought the cue played like crap, too, and couldn't figure out why. It was straight, and as described, but for some reason (even with a different SW shaft on the butt) there was just something horribly wrong with the thing. He later mentioned some theory about "Microscopic cracks" or something in the butt. Whatever it was, this cue was cursed.
*NOTE: As with most of these threads, this was a freak case concerning a SINGLE cue. While I was no expert, the person that bought the cue had several South West's and loved how consistently they played, and how great they hit. HE was even surprised by the difference in the way this particular cue hit, for whatever reason. I, and many others here, think SW's are great, and I have played with a few and thought they hit very well. I just want to make sure nobody thinks I'm knocking South West in ANY way, shape or form.***
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Dakota Cues...
man i think i almost bought that cue here at AZ about 2-3 months ago.very glad i didn't get it now.that was on of the prettiest calssiest looking pool cues i have ever seen though with the single Holly veneer on the Ebony and Purpleheart.man i loved the look of that cue.
The one that stands out in my mind was a late 90's (98 or 99 I think) South West. It had Purple Heart Points, a Gaboon Ebony nose, and a single Holly veneer. It had a white w/double black speck wrap, 13 millimeter shafts and Triangle tips. This was a gorgeous cue. I remember just holding and staring at it for about 10 minutes when I took it out of the box. I had been a long time user and fan of steel jointed cues, but heard so much about South West's that I had to try one for myself. I couldn't wait to get to the pool room and take this dream cue for a spin!
As soon as I hit ONE ball with this cue I looked down at it to make sure I was playing with a cue and not a thick spaghetti noodle. After about a rack I switched shafts thinking it might have been a bad tip. Nope, same thing with the other shaft. Two bad tips? Nay again, as both those got changed with the same result.
I ended up selling the cue figuring "These Flat Faced cues are just not for me." My dream cue went to a good home with a guy that loved SW's, and owned about half a dozen of them already.
A few days later I get a call from the guy saying HE thought the cue played like crap, too, and couldn't figure out why. It was straight, and as described, but for some reason (even with a different SW shaft on the butt) there was just something horribly wrong with the thing. He later mentioned some theory about "Microscopic cracks" or something in the butt. Whatever it was, this cue was cursed.
*NOTE: As with most of these threads, this was a freak case concerning a SINGLE cue. While I was no expert, the person that bought the cue had several South West's and loved how consistently they played, and how great they hit. HE was even surprised by the difference in the way this particular cue hit, for whatever reason. I, and many others here, think SW's are great, and I have played with a few and thought they hit very well. I just want to make sure nobody thinks I'm knocking South West in ANY way, shape or form.***
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Dakota Cues...
man i think i almost bought that cue here at AZ about 2-3 months ago.very glad i didn't get it now.that was on of the prettiest calssiest looking pool cues i have ever seen though with the single Holly veneer on the Ebony and Purpleheart.man i loved the look of that cue.
"i think sw makes just the right amount of cues a year. qctually maybe a little high. approaching 200. ive seen like 478 or something...
any more i think their market might be effected. like bill mcdaniels"
as much as i like it when Dave is wrong,he is right here.he did not say they made 478 cue,he is saying that that cue #478 was the 178th cue of that year.he says,"approaching 200"
i have owned probably 10 SW cues and4 of them were franklin cues and the best playing one i owned was a 2005,just a little heavy for me at 19.8oz.my point is as others have said pretty much everything is the same if not better at SW and some cues just play better than others.it is not the year but the wood that makes the difference.
any more i think their market might be effected. like bill mcdaniels"
as much as i like it when Dave is wrong,he is right here.he did not say they made 478 cue,he is saying that that cue #478 was the 178th cue of that year.he says,"approaching 200"
i have owned probably 10 SW cues and4 of them were franklin cues and the best playing one i owned was a 2005,just a little heavy for me at 19.8oz.my point is as others have said pretty much everything is the same if not better at SW and some cues just play better than others.it is not the year but the wood that makes the difference.
Martin[/QUOTE] When was the last time you saw a 5xx SW?
I have a SW and the pin # is 512-95
I have a SW and the pin # is 512-95
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interesting thread.
I have owned lots of cues and most of them hit ok. Some have hit great (ginas, searing, b hunter) and some have been REALLY disappointing.
I owned a really high end mottey, over 6k, that I just hated! This cue was gorgeous, lots of ivory, snakewood, and 14kt gold inlays. But I couldnt play with it. Felt like the only way I could get feedback was to really grip the cue tightly. Awful. Also played with a black that was so bad, that I just gave it away to someone in a pool hall.
I own 2 bushkas. One is a monster player. Thinner but, hopper but and ebony points. The other cue was bushkas personal player, bought directly from his son gregory. Feels like a broom. Big fat handle, and feels clunky and awkward. Nonetheless, its still a very valuable collectable.
Rg
I have owned lots of cues and most of them hit ok. Some have hit great (ginas, searing, b hunter) and some have been REALLY disappointing.
I owned a really high end mottey, over 6k, that I just hated! This cue was gorgeous, lots of ivory, snakewood, and 14kt gold inlays. But I couldnt play with it. Felt like the only way I could get feedback was to really grip the cue tightly. Awful. Also played with a black that was so bad, that I just gave it away to someone in a pool hall.
I own 2 bushkas. One is a monster player. Thinner but, hopper but and ebony points. The other cue was bushkas personal player, bought directly from his son gregory. Feels like a broom. Big fat handle, and feels clunky and awkward. Nonetheless, its still a very valuable collectable.
Rg
Thanks Jeff. Yes, 12 or so years ago they made more cues. My point is that SW production is not as high as it might have been prior to Jerry's passing. A cue I just received from SW had a pin # in low 370's for 2007. Its now October. I seriously doubt SW will get much beyond pin #410-420 for the year. They are able to make a go of it because they also do repairs, refinishes, rewraps, new shafts, etc. Sorry Dave, I didn't read your post correctly. I agree with Mason that the better playing SW cues has more to do with the individual woods than when the cue was made. Some of it is the pure luck of getting woods in a SW cue that tone above the norm together, including the shafts. I had a purpleheart forearm 2005 that was a real nice player.
Martin
I have a SW and the pin # is 512-95
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Martin
When was the last time you saw a 5xx SW?Jeffrey Gale said:
I have a SW and the pin # is 512-95