Why a segregation of Male and Female in this sport?
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Alex Kanapilly said:
I think women should take up one pocket. You don't have to break like some Neanderthal and the shots tend to be more finesse-y. Curious to me why so few play it.
(just horning in on this venerable topic to push my favorite game)
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I am with you on this. It is said the pool table is the great equalizer. It does not care if your man, woman, big, small. All that matters is if you can solve the puzzle of the table...can you put the solution of the puzzle in the pockets...that's all. I am not buying into the men can break harder crap anyone that has seen Corey's break know that a 90mph break is not the answer. I saw "The Black Widow" best Scott the "Freezer" Frost in DCC banks and I bet money the Diamond Table could have cared less if it was a man or woman hitting the ball in the pocket.MasterClass said:
demonrho said:
I agree. Also, just to clarify, I was only pointing out that at least a few women can break pretty darn hard. I personally don't think that's the reason they don't play as well as the men.
I think there are a small number of women that play better everyone but a small group of men. There's a guy here in Denver that says he'll play Allison Fisher or Karen Corr even and beat them. I told him to call me when he gets it set up because I will bet as much as he's willing to that he can't win that game. Now don't get me wrong, he's a strong local short stop but he is in no way a pro level player. He's got no chance against the top women.
The only men these women can't beat the best players in the world. The rest of us can forget about it.
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dave sutton
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Scott Lee said:
i was being a little sarcastic when i said a month
bottom line i feel if the women and men competed together. 99% of the girl would be out of pool very quickly. with exception to allison karen jasmin maybe ga young and a few others. they cant win regularly.
to the average player to watch the girls on tv they play good. however to the really good players they make position errors, saftey errors, dog balls.
if they didnt have boobs sometimes it would be unwatchable.
but thats why they are on tv instead of the guys...boobs
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dave sutton...I'll accept the sarcasm. But I again, have to respectfully disagree with the "boob" comment. The real reason the women are on t.v. is because they're much SMARTER than the men. They pulled together into a cohesive unit, more than two decades ago...something that has never happened with the men (and sadly, I'm not sure ever will). The women have an effective business model, and that's what get's them on t.v. Unfortunately it has not brought them tons of money...but lots of exposure!
Scott Lee
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dave sutton said:
I think it falls into the category of:
Why do men usually die before thier wives?
Because they want to.
Just teasin ya'll
Why do men usually die before thier wives?
Because they want to.
Just teasin ya'll
Sweet Marissa said:
Karen Core beat a couple men in tournaments. i can't remember who it was but she took out a strong male player in a 14.1 tournament.
i used to know the guys name and tournament but i'm getting old
Scott Lee said:
That may be part of it (better business model that is) but the fact that they're easy on the eyes helps
dave sutton
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poolplayer2093 said:
plus the girls don't challenge one another to a fist fight during a match. Thanks earl. More then once btw.
If you think the average viewer wouldn't rather see bad pool from pretty girls then good pool from goofy guys I think you sadly mistaken.
What i am curious to know is that if there is any political reason behind that would object to the resolution of such a segregation. Making this sport completely equal for all? I am sure we all agree male or female both have there strength and weaknesses. I hardly think that the break is that big an issue. i have seen man who breaks like little girls and Women whose break would make man envious.
But surely, if men tour are thrown open for the women to participate, would it threaten the women governing body who would become redundant? And of course by allowing an open participation then can we see the real strength of the women players.
No matter it is a gorgeous chick shooting or goofy dork playing brilliant pool, i think for this sport the eye candy can only last for a while. Pool is still not very popular as a spectator sport. So maybe more focus can be done to make it a participation sport. Get people to participate!
But surely, if men tour are thrown open for the women to participate, would it threaten the women governing body who would become redundant? And of course by allowing an open participation then can we see the real strength of the women players.
No matter it is a gorgeous chick shooting or goofy dork playing brilliant pool, i think for this sport the eye candy can only last for a while. Pool is still not very popular as a spectator sport. So maybe more focus can be done to make it a participation sport. Get people to participate!
dave sutton
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how? get celeb rackers lol... spectators cant move or even talk. how can they get involved? jim rempe screamed at a guy in atlantic city 10 years ago for just watching wrong...llol
pool is like golf. the best players will win a majority of the time. its a skilled sport
thats why poker is so popular. even a complete ass has a chance to win at anytime.
trust me i see it everyday of my life
pool is like golf. the best players will win a majority of the time. its a skilled sport
thats why poker is so popular. even a complete ass has a chance to win at anytime.
trust me i see it everyday of my life
I'm curious. Can anyone name a professional pool organization that does not allow women to play?
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cuz the women would probably dominate the men.
This argument is ridiculous these days. There isn't enough of a field or industry to draw in sponsors, so lets separate the field more? Men and Women can face each other. Leagues have it happen, tours have it happen, and there is no decent reason the professionals can't have it happen. "Stronger break" is a lackluster excuse. That excuse is like saying women cannot break hard enough to pocket a ball, and that's a load of garbage. With straight pool and 1-pocket, there are several games with building popularity that don't even require the stalwart force of a break.
Look at Corey Deuel's soft break. There are strategies that can be adapted if you don't have the 30+ MPH break everyone loves to see.
The reason the top men are 'better' than the top women, is pure probability. How much larger is the male players pool? Its bound to happen when you have a pool of players 100x the size.
The only reason I can see why it is still segregated is because that is the tradition of sports. The majority of sports have this split. But times are changing. Billiards should change with it.
Look at Corey Deuel's soft break. There are strategies that can be adapted if you don't have the 30+ MPH break everyone loves to see.
The reason the top men are 'better' than the top women, is pure probability. How much larger is the male players pool? Its bound to happen when you have a pool of players 100x the size.
The only reason I can see why it is still segregated is because that is the tradition of sports. The majority of sports have this split. But times are changing. Billiards should change with it.
I think there are many ways to increase participation. I think what is lacking is the sincerity of wanting to make it happen.
I made a suggestion before like in the Asia 9 ball Guinness tour. Instead of just inviting star players to play in it, perhaps running a qualifier just before each tour stop to allow 1 or 2 man from the streets a chance to pit themselves against the big boys and win it. They did hire some dancers to dance during breaks but i think maybe pool players wanna be part of it more then be just watching it.
Throwing open tourney to allow women to play will also instantly increase participation.
Creating more participation will naturally inspire some to practice more. More people will want to learn, more people will want to play with some more people etc. Hence maybe this is a way forward.
I made a suggestion before like in the Asia 9 ball Guinness tour. Instead of just inviting star players to play in it, perhaps running a qualifier just before each tour stop to allow 1 or 2 man from the streets a chance to pit themselves against the big boys and win it. They did hire some dancers to dance during breaks but i think maybe pool players wanna be part of it more then be just watching it.
Throwing open tourney to allow women to play will also instantly increase participation.
Creating more participation will naturally inspire some to practice more. More people will want to learn, more people will want to play with some more people etc. Hence maybe this is a way forward.
I think WPC is also a men only tourney? Also most of the open tournaments in this region there is a segregation.
Now that a girl has won the Singapore national championship. It might also become a mans only championship!
Now that a girl has won the Singapore national championship. It might also become a mans only championship!
JB Cases said:
Are you sure about that? I see nothing in the membership page that asks about gender.
Also, the WPC does not have a gender requirement, at least it says nothing about women who wish to qualify.
I'm sorry but unless someone can show me SOMETHING, I have to assume the only "segregation" that goes on in pool is with women's tours.
