I know a couple of pool players who also play snooker who will occasionally switch to their snooker cue for long pots center ball on a 9ft table, when they aren't potting well and can't identify why. They never talk about deflection but I guess they intuitively understand the concept.
Why don't Snooker players use low deflection shafts?
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Yes, but for a cylinder (like a cue shaft), the cross sectional area and volume are proportionally the same.
Yep - I rounded for simplicity (corrected that above).
You're right about the cross section comparison, but comparing cross sectional areas doesn't work for the volume of spheres like it does for cylinders.
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Geosnookery
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I don’t question the tip to mass variable. However, most snooker players I know use their snooker cue when playing American pool. I do. O'Sullivan, Davis, White, Alex Higgins all competed ( and won) in the Mosconi Cup in the mid 90’s using their snooker cues.
An aside on diameters listed. Many snooker pros use less than a 9mm...as did Shaun Murphy in this weeks final of the World Championship. I think an 8.7. I use an 8.9.
if I had started playing American Pool as a young teen instead of Snooker, I’d be using an American cue tip size and likely be doing fine with it. A lot of it is just ‘what feels right’ after years of playing.
An aside on diameters listed. Many snooker pros use less than a 9mm...as did Shaun Murphy in this weeks final of the World Championship. I think an 8.7. I use an 8.9.
if I had started playing American Pool as a young teen instead of Snooker, I’d be using an American cue tip size and likely be doing fine with it. A lot of it is just ‘what feels right’ after years of playing.
An aside on diameters listed. Many snooker pros use less than a 9mm...as did Shaun Murphy in this weeks final of the World Championship. I think an 8.7. I use an 8.9.
if I had started playing American Pool as a young teen instead of Snooker, I’d be using an American cue tip size and likely be doing fine with it. A lot of it is just ‘what feels right’ after years of playing.
I don’t question the tip to mass variable. No opinion. However, most snooker players I know use their snooker cue when playing American pool. I do. O'Sullivan, Davis, White, Alex Higgins all competed ( and won) in the Mosconi Cup in the mid 90’s using their snooker cues.
An aside on diameters listed. Many snooker pros use less than a 9mm...as did Shaun Murphy in this weeks final of the World Championship. I think an 8.7. I use an 8.9.
if I had started playing American Pool as a young teen instead of Snooker, I’d be using an American cue tip size and likely be doing fine with it. A lot of it is just ‘what feels right’ after years of playing.
Greg M
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I believe Mark Gray also uses a snooker cue for American pool.
Yeah, Shaun's John Parris had an 8.75mm tip until he had half an inch cut off it. He's now using a 9mm.
I'll hazard a guess.
You have to play at a very high level just to make the pro circuit in snooker and for that reason they might be reluctant to change.
No cuemaker has offered a big enough sponsorship to convince a top player to change as the potential loss in earnings from a decline in their game might be more than the sponsorship.
You have to play at a very high level just to make the pro circuit in snooker and for that reason they might be reluctant to change.
No cuemaker has offered a big enough sponsorship to convince a top player to change as the potential loss in earnings from a decline in their game might be more than the sponsorship.
True. But the flipside is that sticking to tradition comes with an aversion to change and progress.
Here's a simpler and clearer comparison - comparing the volume of the cue ball with the volume of a cylinder with the tip's diameter (the shaft's "end mass"). I assume a 6" cylinder below, but any length gives the same proportions - the ratio of a 9.5mm snooker cue to a snooker ball is about the same as the ratio of a 10.75mm pool cue to a pool ball.
Does that mean they produce the same amount of squirt? A 10.75mm pool cue would be pretty low squirt.
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Does that mean they produce the same amount of squirt? A 10.75mm pool cue would be pretty low squirt.
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Until they stop playing snooker and play rotation and realize snooker cues don’t spin or push the larger balls around as well lol then they change
You stole my post, they are just smarter.
Very useful Patrick! Thanks.
This one! I said this on earlier similar thread... They don´t need low deflection shafts because cues are low deflection already.
Geosnookery
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I doubt if CF shafts will gain any foothold. They have been around quite a few years. There were 142 players in the qualifying and Crucible rounds. 100% wooden cues. With a lot of money to win players certainly aren’t reluctant to find an edge over an opponent.
The American Pool cue market is largely driven by newbies, folks who can’t aim and by ‘looks’. Aiming isn’t a major issue in Snooker. It’s about spin, cueball safety, strategy. People who can’t aim don’t play Snooker. Aiming is a minor part of the game that is learned in the first 2 years. No pro needs to learn to aim.
Looks? More or less a non issue in Snooker. There is more of a simplicity if form.
In 20 years 100% of cues used by Snooker pros will be wood.
Does that comparison only work for solid shafts?
My snooker cue is solid (9.5 mm), but my pool cue is foam-filled I think, (12 mm). So is it possible my 12 mm Mezz LD shaft is equivalent in squirt to a 10 mm solid shaft?
Ronnie O demonstrates that snooker players aim no better than pool players when he shoots pool so I will mark that one off. I watch far too much snooker to believe the players have godlike aim anyway.
As for CF, I don't think there has ever been a purpose built CF shaft to play snooker with. From what I found out even hitting a few balls with a friend's 11.8 REVO when he passed by the table I was practicing snooker on, a 10 or 10.5mm REVO would probably be great to play snooker with.
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Yes.
Maybe. The foam's weight would have to be negligible and the hole in the 12mm tip would have to be at least 6.6mm diameter. That leaves about 3/32" of outer wall all around - maybe too thin?
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Given the difference in the behaviors of 3c balls vs pool balls, I have 0 doubt the 3 games are not of any closer relation to each other than the grapefruit, orange and lime are to each other.
I say you.
I played American snooker with my 21 ounce cue with a 14mm tip and beat tons of people. 
I had my pool cue made like a snooker cue, with a 9.5mm tip and a conical taper. I also had it hollowed at the tip end, which gives me ultra low squirt (pivot point ~20").
Love it - been using it 20+ years with nothing but good results.
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Major League baseball uses only wooden bats, so the statistics won't be skewed by someone breaking the home run record with an aluminum bat. In professional snooker tournaments, you have to use a wooden cue, to keep traditional, wooden cue makers in business, who are sometimes sponsors, and also, so statistics won't be messed up.
You don't have to use wood in snooker. Also, cuemakers are rarely big sponsors in pro snooker. Stats wouldn't be affected if someone showed up using cf. Its not the cue.