Why Put Poor Matches On The Stream

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I don’t know about others but I am sick of tournaments with good pro players and/or top armature’s in them putting two players on the stream that can’t run 6 balls, can’t run out ever, and take three hour to play a race to 8. If I turn on to that match I don’t stay and most likely won’t come back.

With no pool to speak of on tv and the future for it looks bleak, streaming is the future of showing off pool to sponsors and pool players. If I understand it correctly the TD is the one that has the say who goes on the stream table. It looks like some go out of their way to make sure the stream has a good match on all the time. It looks like other TD’s could care less and can’t be bothered to do a little extra work and move a few players around so the stream gets good matches. The TD works for the promoter and the promoter should want to see as many people watching the stream as possible. More people watching= more he/she can charge the sponsors, or that’s how it should work. Johnnyt
 
sometimes it's random draw for tables in which case u cant just switch it around to get others on it. other times, if the tv table just finished and u need to get keep the tourny going then u have to put whoever is next on it right away. cant hold up a tourny just because u dont want weaker players on the show table.

in those instances, the td chooses to remain impartial and thats why u end up with weaker guys on the tv table. it might not be right, but it definitely isnt wrong.
 
This is a great point. Would not take much work but yes it will take some work which would pay real dividends. If we want to build viewership and reach a critical mass in quantity to attract mainstream sponsors then the quality of play is important.

Danktrees said:
sometimes it's random draw for tables in which case u cant just switch it around to get others on it. other times, if the tv table just finished and u need to get keep the tourny going then u have to put whoever is next on it right away. cant hold up a tourny just because u dont want weaker players on the show table.

in those instances, the td chooses to remain impartial and thats why u end up with weaker guys on the tv table. it might not be right, but it definitely isnt wrong.
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If you have a better match coming up then yes let a table sit idle for 10 or 15 minutes, would create a better product. Early matches frequently have multiple tables finishing a few minutes a part early rounds. The other option is two have 2 cameras and 2 stream tables and stream the better match, might require a cable change or something and a little extra hardware. I know bad play will limit the product viewership and perhaps permantly
 
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elvicash said:
This is a great point. Would not take much work but yes it will take some work which would pay real dividends. If we want to build viewership and reach a critical mass in quantity to attract mainstream sponsors then the quality of play is important.
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Yes, thank you. That was my point. And before anyone says, "there is no money in it anyway", I say, and there never will be if it continues to be run like it is. Johnnyt
 
Why not treat the tv table as an extra table? You might leave the table empty for a little bit waiting for an upcoming match, but that would seem a better option.
 
Players on Streams

Most tournaments Johnnyt on the Streams you have 10% Pro's, 20% top amateurs, and the other 70% of the players are in it looking for the experience, these are not exact figures but you get what I'm saying.

The 70 % of the players looking for experience make up the most monies collected to have the tournament, without them you wouldn't even have one.

The best players are not always matched up when the tournament starts , so you have to let someone play on the streams, or you would be looking at an empty table, I would rather watch a banger play, than wait for an hour or so looking at nothing.

We all want to watch the best players , but on the streams it just doesn't workout every match until the end...IMHO


David Harcrow
 
catpool9 said:
Most tournaments Johnnyt on the Streams you have 10% Pro's, 20% top amateurs, and the other 70% of the players are in it looking for the experience, these are not exact figures but you get what I'm saying.

The 70 % of the players looking for experience make up the most monies collected to have the tournament, without them you wouldn't even have one.

The best players are not always matched up when the tournament starts , so you have to let someone play on the streams, or you would be looking at an empty table, I would rather watch a banger play, than wait for an hour or so looking at nothing.

We all want to watch the best players , but on the streams it just doesn't workout every match until the end...IMHO


David Harcrow
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Very valid points. I guess the only around that is no seeding. Even with that there might not be any good match-up every round. Johnnyt
 
Here's another perspective, Johnny... take the time to analyze the lesser player(s) game... what is he/she doing wrong?

And then apply the solution to your game. Watch, analyze and learn.

Just a thought.
 
Actually sometimes I enjoy watching decent amateurs play instead of pros. I like to study them and their choices and it's also sometimes fun to put sweat bets down on unknown players to see what happens.

I follow Efren's lead here. He said he watches amateurs play because he learns shots that they made which were unintentional on their part but that he then practices until he owns it.

Edit: Dammit Dave you got in before me :-) I should have read the whole thing.
 
JB Cases said:
Actually sometimes I enjoy watching decent amateurs play instead of pros. I like to study them and their choices and it's also sometimes fun to put sweat bets down on unknown players to see what happens.

I follow Efren's lead here. He said he watches amateurs play because he learns shots that they made which were unintentional on their part but that he then practices until he owns it.

Edit: Dammit Dave you got in before me :-) I should have read the whole thing.
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I agree, amateurs are very fun to watch.

I would rather not know who is going to win the rack right after the break. Its more exciting that way.

In many games in pro matches I wind up thinking "He broke and the rack looks like mickey mouse, might as well take a bathroom break"
 
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There are almost always 3-4 matches that can be on the stream table. I work closely with the TD to select upcoming matches for the TV table. Some venues that I have been to several times get the hang of it and always mark good matches for the TV Table. White Diamonds is one good example. Miss Ashley does a great job!

Talent/Variety/Winners Side mostly

Ray
 
I think it is great to get some regular guys out there. I have been at a tournament where I heard a guy calling his wife to tell her to login and watch him play. This dude was so excited! From an amateur's perspective, it can be a lot of fun and maybe make him come back next time.
 
easy-e said:
I think it is great to get some regular guys out there. I have been at a tournament where I heard a guy calling his wife to tell her to login and watch him play. This dude was so excited! From an amateur's perspective, it can be a lot of fun and maybe make him come back next time.
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Agreed. JohnnyT...just walk away. Hey, isn't the plumber next door...Might as well see if he wanna play $ome!
 
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :embarrassed2:

Though I do agree that if I'm going to be sweating matches on the stream, I would prefer to have a good match.

But as others have stated, it is fun to be streamed if you're a social shooter, amateur, or play pool recreationally. It doesn't always have to be the pro-caliber level. Since the majority of pool peeps in the States do play on leagues as well as for recreation, then I think the streams do serve a good purpose. They're just not going to get a huge audience. Rather, their viewership will probably be limited to those in that inner circle of pool players.

I will say this, though. I did sweat an entire night of streaming one time that was actually one of the most boring things I've ever done. I'm not quite why I hung on until the wee hours of the morning, except that the chat was keeping me awake with the funny comments.

It was the finals of the Carolinas Open between Johnny Archer and Charlie Bryant. I admire both players and their capabilities, but this match was extremely slow going, boring, and it seems like there were long periods of time taken by each player between shots. One game took an entire 45 minutes, if I remember correctly, as an example.

Anyway, poor matches can happen to the best of 'em. I usually don't have time these days to watch the streams, but if I did, I would want to see good play. If it's an action match, I definitely don't care to watch somebody getting spotted 20 to 2, as an example. This kind of pool does *not* excite me as a railbird, but to each their own, I guess. :)
 
Pool doesn't rely on people who only favor watching the better player or a player who can't run over 6 balls. APA????

What about family and friends of the player on the stream, all the people in the home room of a guy playing in the tourney, the player wanting to tape himself from the stream, other geographical locations where pool might not be as prevalent, or that someone who just loves pool wants to watch some pool.

The stream being up helps show people what pool is about, and I 100% guarantee you as I have heard it many times to the average person (not the average pool player) seeing someone run 6 balls means they are great at pool.

Pool doesn't need to keep the players, they will stay around, it's already proven, it needs to attract more players and to the outside world someone who can run 6 balls plays good.


Johnnyt said:
I don’t know about others but I am sick of tournaments with good pro players and/or top armature’s in them putting two players on the stream that can’t run 6 balls, can’t run out ever, and take three hour to play a race to 8. If I turn on to that match I don’t stay and most likely won’t come back.

With no pool to speak of on tv and the future for it looks bleak, streaming is the future of showing off pool to sponsors and pool players. If I understand it correctly the TD is the one that has the say who goes on the stream table. It looks like some go out of their way to make sure the stream has a good match on all the time. It looks like other TD’s could care less and can’t be bothered to do a little extra work and move a few players around so the stream gets good matches. The TD works for the promoter and the promoter should want to see as many people watching the stream as possible. More people watching= more he/she can charge the sponsors, or that’s how it should work. Johnnyt
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Ya, but catpool9 Johnny said we should not watch those players, so lets just get rid of the 70% and have a top prize in a $50 entry tourney of say $75?

Great post btw catpool9 you hit it on the head.

catpool9 said:
Most tournaments Johnnyt on the Streams you have 10% Pro's, 20% top amateurs, and the other 70% of the players are in it looking for the experience, these are not exact figures but you get what I'm saying.

The 70 % of the players looking for experience make up the most monies collected to have the tournament, without them you wouldn't even have one.

The best players are not always matched up when the tournament starts , so you have to let someone play on the streams, or you would be looking at an empty table, I would rather watch a banger play, than wait for an hour or so looking at nothing.

We all want to watch the best players , but on the streams it just doesn't workout every match until the end...IMHO


David Harcrow
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That unknown may be the next John Mora or Shane. Don't you want ot be able to say that you remember watching them and they couldn't run 6 balls?
 
I do know the Big Truck show goes to great extremes to put the best players on the Live Stream Table.

Bangers like me don't like not being picked to play on the TV table but we also understand that the Live Stream is supported by the viewers and the sponsors who want to see the best players on the stream.

I wonder if I start acting out, if that will get me a spot on the TV table.:idea2:

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I wonder if I start acting out, if that will get me a spot on the TV table.:idea2:

JoeyA
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Earmuffs and ankle weights! :eek:

I was chuckling as I read this. I ran 6 balls last night, and you sure as hell don't want me on any stream! :p (Yes, a 6 ball run for me is a good thing. Hey, it was 8-ball, so that's a little tougher, isn't it? :embarrassed2: )

As a real banger (unlike JoeyA :p ) I enjoy seeing pretty much any stream. I especially enjoy seeing people have to work at it, like me. That doesn't take away from enjoying seeing a high-level of play, as well. I think a little of both is good, for the entire audience.
 
justadub said:
Earmuffs and ankle weights! :eek:

I was chuckling as I read this. I ran 6 balls last night, and you sure as hell don't want me on any stream! :p (Yes, a 6 ball run for me is a good thing. Hey, it was 8-ball, so that's a little tougher, isn't it? :embarrassed2: )

As a real banger (unlike JoeyA :p ) I enjoy seeing pretty much any stream. I especially enjoy seeing people have to work at it, like me. That doesn't take away from enjoying seeing a high-level of play, as well. I think a little of both is good, for the entire audience.
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You and I would make a good match. Yeah, I'm sure of it. Roy Steffenson told me so. I don't know how he knows but if Roy says it is a go, it is a go. Roy knows stuff.

I'd rather see an underdog steal a match from a top player than to watch two top players playing each other and never missing a ball. Even just seeing an underdog put up a good fight against a better player is better than seeing two top players never missing a ball but that's just me. LOL

Just thinking, if I extended my POW-MIA playing cue to 70 inches or so, I could use it to joust with my opponent and poke him from across the room. hmmmmm.
 
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