The only place in Washington that really has 7fts, is South of Olympia, down to Oregon. The rest of the state is mostly all 8ft's.TheNewSharkster said:
Glen
Why the heck does APA use 7' tables at all higher level tourns?
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Glen
in the our area apa we play on all 9 foot tables. I think that most would rather play on the 9 footers. Even the lower level players in the area seem to enjoy playing on the nicer tables.
dereklovejoy said:
APA Bar players mostly play on Bar Boxes 3 1/2 x7'
There is a handicap difficulty formula added to score sheets when playing on 9' or 8' table!
I play on 9' poolroom w/simonis and 7' apa league slow felt
You can go from (9')bigger to (7')smaller easier !
bigger problem is cloth in vegas for a person who is used to playing on slow felt!!!
They were using mercury ultra or simonis and both are about the same speed!
Controlling the cue ball takes touch on fast cloth and lower rated players find speed a problem!
We play our states on simonis 7' tables and want our bar to recover their 3 7' tables with ultra!
FYI I e mailed APA about Champion mercury ultra(on tables last year in Riveria) and they told me no sponsor for cloth now!
last year in vegas is the first time id ever played on a 7 ft table period. They were pretty nice tables though and the felt was good.
OK, so Mike Page and others say 7-footers are no threat. What do the rest of you think? Entry-level drug or dangerous addiction in itself?
To me, they're like fast food, and this, of course, is Fast Food Nation. Just look around ... somebody probably said McDonald's was no threat to the national health back in the 50s or 60s. I get the sense that in large areas of the country -- smack dab in the middle -- that it's getting hard to find big tables, and big-table players. That doesn't sound so great to me.
To me, they're like fast food, and this, of course, is Fast Food Nation. Just look around ... somebody probably said McDonald's was no threat to the national health back in the 50s or 60s. I get the sense that in large areas of the country -- smack dab in the middle -- that it's getting hard to find big tables, and big-table players. That doesn't sound so great to me.
randyg said:
The majority of bar box tables I have seen are 8' with the occasional 9'. Even more rare is the 7' bar box. My point is you could have 8' coin op tables at the vegas tourny
I myself play apa most of the time we play on 9ft tables. I do not like some of the rules in the rule book becuase there based on playing on bartable. One of the rules is the shot clock you get something like 24 seconds per shot and 45 seconds for ahard shot its up to your referee ,captions or league operator to determine so. Also in the rule book the have guide how long a 8 ball match and 9 ball match should take. All is is base playing on a 7 ft. table. I myself do not think it is fair, this is comming from askill level7 in8balland skill level 9 in 9ball. I agree with Shawn Putman we as american's need to start off playing on 9ft tables and continue to play on them, becuase as today there so few americans that can compete with others around the world. THIS IS JUST MY 2 CENTS !!!!!!!!!!! Professor
whitewolf said:
Translation...Most players hang out in bars and not in pool rooms..:grin:
whitewolf said:
I guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day. :grin-square:
Most APA league players.
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cueandcushion said:
Spider's Translation: "So we can clear a buck per game at a large national event and say we're being fair to the masses."
Not like I'm against them clearing the coinage at a large national event - it's their event... they SHOULD. Just say what it is.....revenue. Has nothing to do with being fair. 7' = more tables, quicker setup, more money for them. If they could clear more $ with snooker tables, you'd see drunked APA level 4's putting bridges on top of bridges to make center-table shots!
windward said:
This is probably the biggest reason. 9-foot tables have 3 pieces of slate as opposed to standard bar boxes that only have 1. Bar boxes are very easy to ship, assemble and disassemble. The other reasons also play a part but when you need 200+ tables, the bar box is the way to go (unfortunately).
So for a dollar...
So for a dollar they can bend their players over some piece of s**t Valley.. God forbid, for the money you could at least play on somthing with a little class (thats right, I used the c word..), like lets say Diamonds.
P.S. The day I go to the pool hall and there is 7fters instead of 9fters I'll be done playing pool. F**K 7ft tables
:grin: :grin: The game of billiards deserves better...
So for a dollar they can bend their players over some piece of s**t Valley.. God forbid, for the money you could at least play on somthing with a little class (thats right, I used the c word..), like lets say Diamonds.
P.S. The day I go to the pool hall and there is 7fters instead of 9fters I'll be done playing pool. F**K 7ft tables
:grin: :grin: The game of billiards deserves better...
SpiderWebComm said:
I'm not familiar with any of the leagues so I didn't know this, and this sounds pretty chicken sh!te. Do they seriously make you feed the meter for every rack at one of their big tourneys? My understanding is that at many of the local weekly league events the bars open up the ball returns for the players though they are hopefully generating food and beverage income in exchange. But the APA makes you drop coin for each game at their signature events? They probably charge $15 for a roll of quarters too. Is there an entry fee as well or do you qualify for free entry through success in the local leagues?
7 footers would be okay, as long as their pockets are tighter. Sure, the long shots on a 9 are now easy straights on a 7, but that's not gonna make things a crapload easier for anyone other than bangers who will mess up on position play along the way and lose anyway. The biggest change is ball speed imo, and cushions. From what I've seen, 7 foot tables usually dont have large cushions and that usually messes up pros who depend on multiple cushion banks and kicks.
The only thing I can't stand are those bar boxes with gigantic ass pockets, the kind where if a ball gets close to the pocket, it drops in. An example would be the Valley 7 footer bar tables, it takes very little skill to pot balls in rapid succession on those, compared to on a 9 foot brunswick with fickle pockets. And I'm speaking from experience. I started out on 9 footers, and finally one day I come across a Valley 7' at a bar. Me and a friend start playing on it (free pool that day), and I couldn't believe how easy it was to make balls. However, my banking was completely off because the rails felt stiff and my speed was messed up due to the scratchy cloth.
The only thing I can't stand are those bar boxes with gigantic ass pockets, the kind where if a ball gets close to the pocket, it drops in. An example would be the Valley 7 footer bar tables, it takes very little skill to pot balls in rapid succession on those, compared to on a 9 foot brunswick with fickle pockets. And I'm speaking from experience. I started out on 9 footers, and finally one day I come across a Valley 7' at a bar. Me and a friend start playing on it (free pool that day), and I couldn't believe how easy it was to make balls. However, my banking was completely off because the rails felt stiff and my speed was messed up due to the scratchy cloth.