World 10 Ball Silence

[linds]

I think it's time that the WPA or the APBU made some kind of ruling on this. I certainly don't think that any organization can lose all it's best players and then continue to say that it best represents the sport.

WPA/APBU really should act and do something about the situation.

Imagine how far tennis would get if the top 20 players started protesting and were told they have to either accept the injustice of quit? I doubt that very many promoters would continue to pour money into the events.

imagine if efren reyes, dyango bustamante, ronnie alcano, alex pagulayan, roberto gomez, rodolfo luat, warren kiamko, bebeng galiego, dennis orcullo, leevan corteza wont be at WPC?

I also doubt highly that Matchroom will stand still for promoting a World Championship that doesn't include the top Filipino players. Is the WPA prepared to cause a rift in the Matchroom/WPA relationship because they refuse to deal with the Phillipine situation.

its APBU/WPA call...

So the World Number One Dennis Orcullo, as ranked by the WPA, will be forbidden to play in World Pool Association events because of a power struggle in the Phillipines?

perhaps?

Is Makaneta's position elected or appointed? If elected then surely there is something in the bylaws that allows the membership to call for impeachment and a new election.

This is getting ridiculous.

most of bscp members are cohorts/friends with interest...

 

[linds]

that's why a clarification is needed. this came from a text message but it implies that the WPA supports this by allegedly wanting to inform the players that they should be a member of the BSCP by Jan 2009 if they want to be part of the world championships.

The WPA can confirm or deny this. I dont want to believe all texts messages I see. So it would be nice if something from the APBU or WPA will be put on record. This assumes of course that people/players seek clarification about this text message.

No ruling needed. Just clarify if that is their stand on the matter since the message did not come from APBU or WPA.

the text massage came from startext ( owner mr. sebastian chua is a BSCP director/cashier)
it maybe a "tactic" or whatever... implies war to other parties concerened with autority from APBU/WPA. they really need to clarify this...

 

[JB Cases]

As I said before the WPA needs to have a "Professional Player" category that applies ONLY to players that meet that criteria. For example a player that participates in tournaments all over the world and maintains a certain ranking is a PROFESSIONAL player and should be excluded from national organzation's rules concerning participation in WORLD events. This is because the PROFESSIONAL player doesn't generally have time to participate in amateur events in order to maintain an amateur ranking so as to "qualify" for World events.

Professional players should have automatic berths in all WORLD events and NOT be beholden to ANY national organization's politics or whims.

AFTER the PROFESSIONAL player's have filled their spots at the WORLD events then the rest of the spots are open to the national organizations to fill with the players of their choice according to whatever criteria they have in place.

That's how it should be so that PROFESSIONAL players are not beaten up like this.

Of course to be considered a professional does not mean that you just don't have another job and play pool all the time. You would have to participate in x-amount of interenational events per year and have some sort of ranking based on your showing in those events. I'd say that the top 50 players on such a WORLD ranking list are EXEMPT from national org placement rules and have automatic spots in ALL WPA sanctioned events.

 

[JB Cases]

most of bscp members are cohorts/friends with interest...

Ok, explain to me what a "member" of the BSCP is.

In Germany I was a member of a local club that I paid dues to. In our local club we elected officers and one representative to the regional organization which our club paid dues to. The regional organization then paid dues to the German Billiard Union (DBU) which is the equivalent of the BSCP. The DBU members all send a representative to the DBU and those reps elect officers.

When I was in Germany Horst Vondenhoff was the president of the DBU and may still be. The DBU then presided over the players who really had no direct contact with the DBU. An individual player was twice removed from the DBU. So my guess here is that if the BSCP is similarly structured then there is a possibility of a good ol' boys club happening where it's almost impossible to get the old guard out and replace them.

IF however the "members" are directly under the officers, as in they pay dues directly to the BSCP then they should be able to vote them out.

 

[linds]

it should be that way.
but here for 2-3 dacades or so there was no elections... recent members were "asked/appointed" by the heads. and "if" they dont agree with the "heads" they can easily be removed. no membership dues, since BSCP has no real membership todate.

 

[jay helfert]

My opinion is that with the current situation regarding overdue prize moneys from the last WPA sanctioned event, the timing is a little bad to be making any rulings regarding players. Get my drift? This is no time for anyone from the BSCP or WPA to be throwing their weight around.

I would prefer to hear something from the WPA on what they are doing to protect the players interest who played in the WTBC. That would make a little more sense to me. I'm sorry if my statements offend anyone, but I remain an advocate for the players. Always have been, always will be, and that's the name of that tune. Now if a player gets out of line, as you know, I will also be first to call him/her on it.

I just feel that someone must speak up on behalf of these players, and not just focus on making accusations against the various organizations. I don't really care who produces events in the Philippines, but my God, pay the players who spend money to come there and play in them!

 

[bandido]

that's why a clarification is needed. this came from a text message but it implies that the WPA supports this by allegedly wanting to inform the players that they should be a member of the BSCP by Jan 2009 if they want to be part of the world championships.

The WPA can confirm or deny this. I dont want to believe all texts messages I see. So it would be nice if something from the APBU or WPA will be put on record. This assumes of course that people/players seek clarification about this text message.

No ruling needed. Just clarify if that is their stand on the matter since the message did not come from APBU or WPA.

I agree Monski. Before this gets too far as to ask for judgement from WPA maybe a statement from the WPA stating their support for such an announcement be made.

I do realize the "in good standing" part of the WPA constitution and this may be what BSCP is banking on but considering the effect of implementing such then they, the WPA, may need to review such and amend if they see fit.

The world of Pool has evolved, Pool's chances of inclusion in the Olympics has gotten pretty dim and their constitution doesn't jive with the times. Pool will progress and not at a slow pace that the World Orgs Constitution allows it to. It is my opinion that now is pool's "growth spurt" stage and it shouldn't be hampered by some ancient document.

 

[bandido]

As I said before the WPA needs to have a "Professional Player" category that applies ONLY to players that meet that criteria. For example a player that participates in tournaments all over the world and maintains a certain ranking is a PROFESSIONAL player and should be excluded from national organzation's rules concerning participation in WORLD events. This is because the PROFESSIONAL player doesn't generally have time to participate in amateur events in order to maintain an amateur ranking so as to "qualify" for World events.

Professional players should have automatic berths in all WORLD events and NOT be beholden to ANY national organization's politics or whims.

AFTER the PROFESSIONAL player's have filled their spots at the WORLD events then the rest of the spots are open to the national organizations to fill with the players of their choice according to whatever criteria they have in place.

That's how it should be so that PROFESSIONAL players are not beaten up like this.

Of course to be considered a professional does not mean that you just don't have another job and play pool all the time. You would have to participate in x-amount of interenational events per year and have some sort of ranking based on your showing in those events. I'd say that the top 50 players on such a WORLD ranking list are EXEMPT from national org placement rules and have automatic spots in ALL WPA sanctioned events.

Why does the Professional Pool Player just be a category of the WPA? How is it that Snooker and Billiard Professionals have their own separate organization and Pro Pool just be a category?

I did post before regarding the World Professional Billiard and Snooker Organization (WPBSA) http://www.billiard-wcbs.org/ (click on "Organisation" button) directly under the WCBS thus being at the same level as the WPA. Why can't pool have its own World Professional Pool Organization. Well, that question was back then. We already moved on making one, first locally and now in the process of an international level pro org.

Why can't we all get together and form our own World Professional Pool Organisation and not need it to be under the IOC since Pool isn't an Olympic Sport anyway? We can police our own ranks and work on our future.

 

[bandido]

Update: Some referees are paid half of what's due them and some not at all.

 

[sputnik]

Doug, is there an available updated list of paid players?

It's a Saturday and the week has passed. Obviously, the anti-moneylaundering BS is BS.

I recently sent bucks to the USA by Telegraphic Transfer and it took two Philippine working days.

 

[pro9dg]

Doug, is there an available updated list of paid players?

It's a Saturday and the week has passed. Obviously, the anti-moneylaundering BS is BS.

I recently sent bucks to the USA by Telegraphic Transfer and it took two Philippine working days.

I am playing in a tournament and drew Imran Majid in the first round. He beat me 7-4. But he must need the money and he accessed his account and no payment has been made.

I will check some more when I get home.

 

[Marvel]

I've been lucky again and have got paid.

But what about Appleton? That's the big question.

(sorry, if already answered, didn't have time to go through other than the last posts..)

 

[bandido]

I've been lucky again and have got paid.

But what about Appleton? That's the big question.

(sorry, if already answered, didn't have time to go through other than the last posts..)

I think that they're aware of your previous lengthy stay here and close association with me.

 

[JB Cases]

Why does the Professional Pool Player just be a category of the WPA? How is it that Snooker and Billiard Professionals have their own separate organization and Pro Pool just be a category?

I did post before regarding the World Professional Billiard and Snooker Organization (WPBSA) http://www.billiard-wcbs.org/ (click on "Organisation" button) directly under the WCBS thus being at the same level as the WPA. Why can't pool have its own World Professional Pool Organization. Well, that question was back then. We already moved on making one, first locally and now in the process of an international level pro org.

Why can't we all get together and form our own World Professional Pool Organisation and not need it to be under the IOC since Pool isn't an Olympic Sport anyway? We can police our own ranks and work on our future.

You can form your own organization. However IF your players WANT to play in WPA sanctioned events then you need to be ALLOWED to play. Which is why I advocated that the WPA should create a category for PROFESSIONAL players.

Notice in your chart that there are two billiard and snooker organizations that are members of the WCBS - one is set up like the WPA and the other is comprised of players.

Perhaps the end result of your international professional organization will be that you have the power to negotiate with the WPA to provide inclusion in their events. Either way the result would be that the WPA would deal with professional players in a way that is commensurate with their accomplishments and status.

 

[gopi-1]

Here's something positive for this thread:




National Billiards League finds new home




The National Billiards League (NBL) has found a home for its much-awaited inaugural season next year.

The AMF-Puyat Bowling Inn and Billiards in Malate, Manila is undergoing a P2.5-million renovation to make it a state-of-the-art venue for the world?s first season-long professional league.

Located on Taft Ave., between Quirino and Remedios, Bowling Inn, as it is popularly known, will sport a lively set-up as the proponents of the league want it to be more than just a plain billiards competition, but also to provide fascinating entertainment.

"The NBL is definitely a go," said Philippine pool godfather Aristeo "Putch" Puyat. "We may have failed to meet our initial target date to start it because we want to make sure that we'll cover all the bases before we launch it, but there's really no turning back."

"In fact, all of us, especially the players, are all excited to begin this new era of Philippine billiards," added the Puyat Sports top honcho.

The NBL, a brainchild of Puyat, who conceive it almost a decade ago, is nearing completion, thanks to the support of fellow billiards patrons Perry Mariano of Bugsy Promotions and Jonathan Sy of the Negros Billiards Stable, and officials of the Billiards Managers and Players Association of the Philippines.

According to Mariano, the next step will be he distribution of players to the participating corporate teams through a draft scheduled on the first week of January.

"There will be eight teams with six players each, so a total of 48 players, not counting the reserves, will have a regular income. That would make billiards really a professional sport," said Mariano.

"As I've said before, the NBL will be the next big thing in Philippine sports entertainment," added Mariano.

Patterned after the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), the NBL will have the country's top cue artists, led by billiards legend Efren "Bata" Reyes, fellow former world champions Ronnie Alcano and Alex Pagulayan and current world No.1 Dennis Orcullo, along with a bunch of up and coming stars playing for corporate teams in a season-long team competition.

Just like the PBA, the NBL will also have the fledging Solar Sports as its broadcast partner.

http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20081109194

 

[pro9dg]

It looks like next year's WTBC has been already been given ranking status even before this one has fully paid the players from this year.

http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/article.php?sid=927&mode=thread&order=0

The WPA had a board meeting a few days ago. Surely this offered an opportunity to discuss the issues raised in this thread and let the world know what is hapening.

It is reminiscent of Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.

 

[sputnik]

It looks like next year's WTBC has been already been given ranking status even before this one has fully paid the players from this year.

http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/article.php?sid=927&mode=thread&order=0

The WPA had a board meeting a few days ago. Surely this offered an opportunity to discuss the issues raised in this thread and let the world know what is hapening.

It is reminiscent of Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.

Now I know why Anderson and Makabenta see eye to eye. I can believe that Anderson did not have a stake on WTB. They think alike!!! Instead of addressing the issues, they both are seduced by tightening their grips on power.

Fearless forcast: WPA will be obsolete by 2010.

 

[AnitoKid]

That's very good news!
And I kid you not!

.

Here's something positive for this thread:

National Billiards League finds new home


The National Billiards League (NBL) has found a home for its much-awaited inaugural season next year.

The AMF-Puyat Bowling Inn and Billiards in Malate, Manila is undergoing a P2.5-million renovation to make it a state-of-the-art venue for the world?s first season-long professional league.

Located on Taft Ave., between Quirino and Remedios, Bowling Inn, as it is popularly known, will sport a lively set-up as the proponents of the league want it to be more than just a plain billiards competition, but also to provide fascinating entertainment.

"The NBL is definitely a go," said Philippine pool godfather Aristeo "Putch" Puyat. "We may have failed to meet our initial target date to start it because we want to make sure that we'll cover all the bases before we launch it, but there's really no turning back."

"In fact, all of us, especially the players, are all excited to begin this new era of Philippine billiards," added the Puyat Sports top honcho.

The NBL, a brainchild of Puyat, who conceive it almost a decade ago, is nearing completion, thanks to the support of fellow billiards patrons Perry Mariano of Bugsy Promotions and Jonathan Sy of the Negros Billiards Stable, and officials of the Billiards Managers and Players Association of the Philippines.

According to Mariano, the next step will be he distribution of players to the participating corporate teams through a draft scheduled on the first week of January.

"There will be eight teams with six players each, so a total of 48 players, not counting the reserves, will have a regular income. That would make billiards really a professional sport," said Mariano.

"As I've said before, the NBL will be the next big thing in Philippine sports entertainment," added Mariano.

Patterned after the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), the NBL will have the country's top cue artists, led by billiards legend Efren "Bata" Reyes, fellow former world champions Ronnie Alcano and Alex Pagulayan and current world No.1 Dennis Orcullo, along with a bunch of up and coming stars playing for corporate teams in a season-long team competition.

Just like the PBA, the NBL will also have the fledging Solar Sports as its broadcast partner.

http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20081109194

 

[ShootingArts]

this is interesting

I'm sure players in the US and around the world will be watching with great interest to see how this works out. Some form of team pool seems like something the public might go for. I know pool is much more successful in the Philippines but we can't seem to find a marketable product here in the US.

Hu

Here's something positive for this thread:




National Billiards League finds new home




The National Billiards League (NBL) has found a home for its much-awaited inaugural season next year.

The AMF-Puyat Bowling Inn and Billiards in Malate, Manila is undergoing a P2.5-million renovation to make it a state-of-the-art venue for the world?s first season-long professional league.

Located on Taft Ave., between Quirino and Remedios, Bowling Inn, as it is popularly known, will sport a lively set-up as the proponents of the league want it to be more than just a plain billiards competition, but also to provide fascinating entertainment.

"The NBL is definitely a go," said Philippine pool godfather Aristeo "Putch" Puyat. "We may have failed to meet our initial target date to start it because we want to make sure that we'll cover all the bases before we launch it, but there's really no turning back."

"In fact, all of us, especially the players, are all excited to begin this new era of Philippine billiards," added the Puyat Sports top honcho.

The NBL, a brainchild of Puyat, who conceive it almost a decade ago, is nearing completion, thanks to the support of fellow billiards patrons Perry Mariano of Bugsy Promotions and Jonathan Sy of the Negros Billiards Stable, and officials of the Billiards Managers and Players Association of the Philippines.

According to Mariano, the next step will be he distribution of players to the participating corporate teams through a draft scheduled on the first week of January.

"There will be eight teams with six players each, so a total of 48 players, not counting the reserves, will have a regular income. That would make billiards really a professional sport," said Mariano.

"As I've said before, the NBL will be the next big thing in Philippine sports entertainment," added Mariano.

Patterned after the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), the NBL will have the country's top cue artists, led by billiards legend Efren "Bata" Reyes, fellow former world champions Ronnie Alcano and Alex Pagulayan and current world No.1 Dennis Orcullo, along with a bunch of up and coming stars playing for corporate teams in a season-long team competition.

Just like the PBA, the NBL will also have the fledging Solar Sports as its broadcast partner.

http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20081109194

 

[sputnik]

I'm sure players in the US and around the world will be watching with great interest to see how this works out. Some form of team pool seems like something the public might go for. I know pool is much more successful in the Philippines but we can't seem to find a marketable product here in the US.

Hu

I am passing on my NBL Commissionership to our new Commissioner, Mr. Ronnie Nathanielz. I have fulfilled my duties in laying down the groundworks for the league and I am ready to meet the other demands of our pool lives. I will however remain of service as a Consultant to the league.

Congratulations, Ronnie! This new baby will definitely be in good hands.