World 10 Ball Silence

AnitoKid said:
All lines are made up of 8 syllables!
And I kid you not!

:)


*the words "they'll" & " "still" could be
syllabicated as 1, respectively - i think :)
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That, Kid, is what we in the poetry business call POETIC LICENSE

Anito Kid, he posts all day
He's always got a word to say
If you want info on this game
Anito Kid - that's his name

Let us hear one from you
 
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pro9dg said:
That, Kid, is what we in the poetry business call POETIC LICENSE
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....and wouldn't you agree Doug that Makabenta losing all credibility and accreditations and being forced to fork out the advertised prize money from his own pocket might be what those in the pool business call POETIC JUSTICE ? :frown:
 
memikey said:
....and wouldn't you agree Doug that Makabenta losing all credibility and accreditations and being forced to fork out the advertised prize money from his own pocket might be what those in the pool business call POETIC JUSTICE ? :frown:
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Own pocket? Not Applicable! As I mentioned in pre-WTBC posts, the way things were being forced into happening was clearly from desperation. It seemed like it was coming from somebody who had nothing more to lose. Word has it that the WTB was the only way out of financial woes from losses in the last two WPCs.

Any businessman with the slightest shade of conservatism would have postponed the tournament if he did not have sponsors a few days before it started.

Even without the "saboteurs" who are now being held as scapegoats in the tournament's failure, reading the situation would have been enough.

This is why I am so angry with how Anderson irresponsibly guaranteed the tournament and even said that there might be a bonus. Either Anderson does not have the mental capacity to read situations or he is part of the scam... a scam that continued even after the tournament when they were desperately calling the event a success with no audience, not enough sponsors, bad coverage, incomplete world-class players, and everything else that a successful tournament should have had. Ted Lerner and Ian Anderson continued their post-WTBC cover-ups even when everybody knew that it was a flop. How much?

The very first column of Makabenta in AZ said something like WPA can lead the way, or anybody else without the initials KT, and many will follow. The first part of the statement is wrong - WPA cannot lead the way. Also, add YM beside the initials KT. The only right thing about it is that many followed.
 
sputnik said:
Own pocket? Not Applicable! As I mentioned in pre-WTBC posts, the way things were being forced into happening was clearly from desperation. It seemed like it was coming from somebody who had nothing more to lose. Word has it that the WTB was the only way out of financial woes from losses in the last two WPCs.

Any businessman with the slightest shade of conservatism would have postponed the tournament if he did not have sponsors a few days before it started.

Even without the "saboteurs" who are now being held as scapegoats in the tournament's failure, reading the situation would have been enough.

This is why I am so angry with how Anderson irresponsibly guaranteed the tournament and even said that there might be a bonus. Either Anderson does not have the mental capacity to read situations or he is part of the scam... a scam that continued even after the tournament when they were desperately calling the event a success with no audience, not enough sponsors, bad coverage, incomplete world-class players, and everything else that a successful tournament should have had. Ted Lerner and Ian Anderson continued their post-WTBC cover-ups even when everybody knew that it was a flop. How much?

The very first column of Makabenta in AZ said something like WPA can lead the way, or anybody else without the initials KT, and many will follow. The first part of the statement is wrong - WPA cannot lead the way. Also, add YM beside the initials KT. The only right thing about it is that many followed.
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Bro, there's a difference between expressing reservation about an organizers ability to do a good job on promoting an event and publicly insinuating that a scam was being set up. As I said before, emotions run high in things like this and I can appreciate where you are coming from... just... well... I hope you see my point on this...
 
monski said:
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Bro, there's a difference between expressing reservation about an organizers ability to do a good job on promoting an event and publicly insinuating that a scam was being set up. As I said before, emotions run high in things like this and I can appreciate where you are coming from... just... well... I hope you see my point on this...
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From how I've read Sputnik's post monski, the organizers weren't setting up a scam, but the total reverse,
they were hoping for a blockbuster, for their collective pocket's sake. Their first two previous tournaments
(WPC '06 and '07) was a huge success from all fronts; the sponsors were lining up, the extensive coverage
was worldwide, the audience' response was tremendous, and ALL the TOP players showed up. Their last two
events was a flop, and they obviously lost financially, and the WTBC was their ticket to get out of the red.
They weren't expecting the lukewarm reception they got from previous sponsors, even though they drew
almost all of the top foreign players to play, the sponsors were looking for the sure thing, the top dogs of
pool in the Philippines.

They were in too deep on this one and they probably thought that it was too late to back out, and I guess
pride played a part in it too. They tried to save face by pointing a finger and painting a rosy picture which
was obviously not, as we all saw a ghost town.

I'm still hoping for the best, to see all the players get paid, including the refs, the crew and the venue as well...
 
Hey GO-PEE-1 you are a joke. You say you hope every one gets paid but you dont mean it. None of your friends mean it. You hate the 10 BALL promoter and you hope he doesnt pay. You think that if he doesnt pay it will make you and your FRIENDS look better. It is so easy to see through you I dont know why anyone else has not posted that. My friends are players and I care about them. you dont care about anybody but yourselves.
 
sputnik said:
Even without the "saboteurs" who are now being held as scapegoats in the tournament's failure, reading the situation would have been enough.
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I don't think it would be a good idea for the organizers to blame or make some alibis as to their failure to give away the prize monies on schedule.
it would only taint the image of RAYA and company. besides, the sabotage excuse doesn't even makes sense. IIRC, it was the organizers themselves who even bragged that the event would push thru, regardless of any bad press that has been made prior to the event. they were the ones who were persistent.

the thing with RAYA is that it gambled to organize a pool event during an unstable period. without securing the necessary funding or rather they just counted the chicks even before they even hatch.
I call that "arrogance, pride and stupidity".

WIMBLEDON is not Wimbledon without the top 10 players, no matter how talented the field is. as to pool, no offense to the participants eventhough how highly talented they were, but the target market here are the pool fans and viewers which are predominantly Filipinos whose intent is to watch their own top players and not the budding newcomers.

You put Efren against a shortstop player in a televised match in one event, and PulPul against Shane Van Boening in another event at the same playing time and see who the fans would go to and watch.

I wouldn't say that the top players and their managers had sabotaged the event by virtue of their boycott. in fact, it was RAYA's choice and own doing to proceed without the support of those people. thereby, stating that they can live without them. I did in fact, was able to read some previous articles which undermine the importance of those top players. so Raya has no valid excuse for this or they would just be eating their own words if they decide to use this kind of excuse.

I just hope that RAYA could grow some balls and back up their much publicized hot air.
 
gopi-1 said:
From how I've read Sputnik's post monski, the organizers weren't setting up a scam, but the total reverse,
they were hoping for a blockbuster, for their collective pocket's sake. Their first two previous tournaments
(WPC '06 and '07) was a huge success from all fronts; the sponsors were lining up, the extensive coverage
was worldwide, the audience' response was tremendous, and ALL the TOP players showed up. Their last two
events was a flop, and they obviously lost financially, and the WTBC was their ticket to get out of the red.
They weren't expecting the lukewarm reception they got from previous sponsors, even though they drew
almost all of the top foreign players to play, the sponsors were looking for the sure thing, the top dogs of
pool in the Philippines.

They were in too deep on this one and they probably thought that it was too late to back out, and I guess
pride played a part in it too. They tried to save face by pointing a finger and painting a rosy picture which
was obviously not, as we all saw a ghost town.

I'm still hoping for the best, to see all the players get paid, including the refs, the crew and the venue as well...
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Holding a " world championship" in the Phil. with Efren, Busta, Gomez, Alcano, Orcullo and Pagulayan not playing and expecting success?
Spray and pray.
 
smashmouth said:
this is why the WPA is a joke, their sanctioning is supposed to guarantee purses, actually they're beyond a joke, they're fraudulent
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Reading back through this thread more than a week after I first posted it a few things came a bit clearer.

With still not a hint of payment it is now patently obvious that the WPA exists to serve the purposes of the promoters - not the players.

They have even got a special category of membership for promoters with Dragon Promotions and Matchroom Sport being members.

The worldwide promoters do not pay the tournament sanction fees. They come out of the pockets of the players. But there is no mechanism for a player to join.


There has been no statement about why the payment has not been made. Are all these players being kept in the dark or have they been sworn to secrecy.

The WPA President went to bat for the promoter when reliable factions were telling players to beware. The players trusted his word so it is only right that he should enlighten them now.

There are moves afoot in different parts of the world to get players organised to give them a voice. This is certainly not what the WPA does. They also use the tactic of threatening to ban players if they enter events that they do not sanction.

I have discussed with Ian Anderson the possibility of creating a direct WPA membership for for players. I feel that this is necessary because of the growing number of players who play internationally and are not tied to domestic tours.

Players like Mika Immonen, Thorsten Hohmann, Fabio Petroni and Marcus Chamat plus the Filipino contingent ? Efren, Busta, Dennis, Ronato and Gomez. They are all denied playing opportunities by their status.

I even offered to help with the recruitment of players but my offer was turned down.

So a global players organisation just needs a kickstart and recovering the WTBC money could be the catalyst it needs.
 
pooldawg85 said:
Hey GO-PEE-1 you are a joke. You say you hope every one gets paid but you dont mean it. None of your friends mean it. You hate the 10 BALL promoter and you hope he doesnt pay. You think that if he doesnt pay it will make you and your FRIENDS look better. It is so easy to see through you I dont know why anyone else has not posted that. My friends are players and I care about them. you dont care about anybody but yourselves.
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No one is hoping that they don't pay because we already suspected that from the start and thus the reason for the noise from us. Big difference! Since non-payment has always been suspected then all we can do is hope that they do pay. No need to hope that they don't pay because they didn't when they should have, yesterday.

I hope that you can grasp the logic.
 
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How about something new to hope for? Let's hope that Yen finds a buyer for RAYA for 20M Pesos so he can settle most of his financial obligations. I was told that Mr. STAR Billiards already declined.
 
bandido said:
How about something new to hope for? Let's hope that Yen finds a buyer for RAYA for 20M Pesos so he can settle most of his financial obligations. I was told that Mr. STAR Billiards already declined.
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Why am I not surprised?
 
WPA Quells Rumors
Despite the wild rumours that have been circulating, the World Pool-Billiard Association wishes to state unequivocally that the WPA World Ten Ball Championship will take place as scheduled in Manila on September 29 to October 5. At no time have we considered this event to ever have been in danger of being postponed or canceled.

Preparations and arrangements for the tournament by Raya Sports are proceeding as planned. The venue is the Philippine International Convention Centre. Seven hotels led by Sofitel Philippine Plaza are official hotel partners and will take care of players and guests. Brunswick, Iwan Simonis and Star Billiards are providing world-class equipment and service. The tournament will be broadcast internationally by ESPN.

A prize fund of $400,000 is on offer, and indeed there may be an additional prize donated by sponsors that will be announced by next week.

The entire tournament will be conducted under the full supervision of the WPA. Mr. Thomas Overbeck, WPA vice-president and sports director, will be the Tournament Director.

For updated information about the WTBC, log into the official website: www.worldtenball.com



looks like the additional bonus donated by the sponsors was a joke... What about the rest of the 400 000 $
 
the players need some kind of protection

pro9dg said:
Reading back through this thread more than a week after I first posted it a few things came a bit clearer.

With still not a hint of payment it is now patently obvious that the WPA exists to serve the purposes of the promoters - not the players.

They have even got a special category of membership for promoters with Dragon Promotions and Matchroom Sport being members.

The worldwide promoters do not pay the tournament sanction fees. They come out of the pockets of the players. But there is no mechanism for a player to join.


There has been no statement about why the payment has not been made. Are all these players being kept in the dark or have they been sworn to secrecy.

The WPA President went to bat for the promoter when reliable factions were telling players to beware. The players trusted his word so it is only right that he should enlighten them now.

There are moves afoot in different parts of the world to get players organised to give them a voice. This is certainly not what the WPA does. They also use the tactic of threatening to ban players if they enter events that they do not sanction.

I have discussed with Ian Anderson the possibility of creating a direct WPA membership for for players. I feel that this is necessary because of the growing number of players who play internationally and are not tied to domestic tours.

Players like Mika Immonen, Thorsten Hohmann, Fabio Petroni and Marcus Chamat plus the Filipino contingent ? Efren, Busta, Dennis, Ronato and Gomez. They are all denied playing opportunities by their status.

I even offered to help with the recruitment of players but my offer was turned down.

So a global players organisation just needs a kickstart and recovering the WTBC money could be the catalyst it needs.
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Even if the players do get paid "eventually" (not acceptable) I really do hope that this fiasco creates a huge "wake up call" to the players. They really do need some kind of organization where they can have a voice in making sure that tournaments are organized and run properly and also when they are run to eleviate scheduling conflicts for the larger events.

Obviously there are many other benefits that could be available but let's get started with the events first.

Fran
 
pooldawg85 said:
Hey GO-PEE-1 you are a joke. You say you hope every one gets paid but you dont mean it. None of your friends mean it. You hate the 10 BALL promoter and you hope he doesnt pay. You think that if he doesnt pay it will make you and your FRIENDS look better. It is so easy to see through you I dont know why anyone else has not posted that. My friends are players and I care about them. you dont care about anybody but yourselves.
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lol! Truth hurts huh?

I have no dog in this hunt and I don't know Edwin, Sputnik or Yen from Adam, but I can clearly see who's side
I should stay on, THE PLAYERS' side, it just so happen that Edwin and Sputnik are on their side too. Since it's
obvious you're from the other camp, and you say you have player friends and you care about them, then why
the hell are you staying in bed with the ones who publicly failed to live up to your "player friends" promise? Why?
Are you in cahoots with Yen/Raya like somebody from the WPA?

... and go easy on defending your hero/boss, he's flat broke right now, he might not be able to pay you EVER! LMAO!
 
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pooldawg85 said:
Hey GO-PEE-1 you are a joke. You say you hope every one gets paid but you dont mean it. None of your friends mean it. You hate the 10 BALL promoter and you hope he doesnt pay. You think that if he doesnt pay it will make you and your FRIENDS look better. It is so easy to see through you I dont know why anyone else has not posted that. My friends are players and I care about them. you dont care about anybody but yourselves.
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hey pooldawg..easy on gopi...you are just making an assumption about his feelings about players being paid... the fact of the matter is..just like gopi- i am also just on the players side..and the players side here is the BMPAP ...

...also..in this case, you can actually and honestly be against what yen stands for and at the same time hope for the players to be paid.. that's what i feel about this whole thing..

even edwin(bandido).. who is in the thick of this..also feels the same way.

relax bro... peace
 
bandido said:
How about something new to hope for? Let's hope that Yen finds a buyer for RAYA for 20M Pesos so he can settle most of his financial obligations. I was told that Mr. STAR Billiards already declined.
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..funny..he sells it for 20million and starts a new one that will compete with the one he just sold...hahahha
 
bandido said:
How about something new to hope for? Let's hope that Yen finds a buyer for RAYA for 20M Pesos so he can settle most of his financial obligations. I was told that Mr. STAR Billiards already declined.
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i heard that RAYA is not registered with SEC....
selling something that is not registered with SEC? hmm....
 
arian dacongan said:
..funny..he sells it for 20million and starts a new one that will compete with the one he just sold...hahahha
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He can't start a new one with the 20M. Players will own a major part of that.
 
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