World 14.1 - Is this true???

worldison2 said:
Michelle Wie and Annika Sorenstam also played some men's golf tourneys.

I really doubt you're going to find women in the NFL or NBA, but if there's a sport where they can compete with the men, I think it's great. I wish more women were involved in pool.
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I wanna see women vs. men in UFC...:)

You can decide what the "F" means...LOL
 
I don't mind if the women play in the men's division, but if you want everything to be "even and fair", then the men should be able to play in the womens division.

Seems like if you allow one sex to cross over, then you should allow both.

Edit: Just read that is was an "OPEN" event, not a "men's" event, so I don't see why women wouldn't be allowed to play. They have every right to be there.
 
md5key said:
I don't mind if the women play in the men's division, but if you want everything to be "even and fair", then the men should be able to play in the womens division.

Seems like if you allow one sex to cross over, then you should allow both.
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There is no crossing over. Women play in WPBA events; men play in UPA events, WPA events are OPEN to both.
 
I must have been editing my post when you wrote that - I didn't realize it was open.
 
maldito said:
Anything that attracts sponsers will mean more $$$ for the Billiard/Pool pros - and women performing well against men (Jassy) attracts attention.
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I totally agree. Our sport tends to be very short sighted, looking only for immediate gain, rather than what is good for the sport in the long run. If this event had had a real PR person, Jasmin's accomplishment might have been able to attract some mainstream press.

Her fearlessness to match up in the men's event, is a gain for the sport in every possible way. Jean was good at getting her name out there and bringing attention to the sport. I think Jasmin has the same and even greater potential to put a spotlight on our sport, which of course benefits all of us.
 
True!

Black-Balled said:
Simple- you can always step up, but not down.
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Well if this is true then once these ladies feel they are good enough to compete in the OPEN(men's) events then they also should not be able to go back down to the WPBA. And them double and triple dipping isn't fair! They can play in everything, from WPBA, to Ladies Spirit tour, to any open regional tour, hell there are WPBA members in the top 25 playing in amateur tours! And then they compete in tournaments that have always been basically mens tournaments, but because it is an "open" World championship it is supposed to be ok! What about the 10,000 guys who could make a living if they were allowed to playin the WPBA?
Hell I am by no means that good of a player and I would love to be able to play in every WPBA event, and Ladies Spirit tour event! I will quit my job tomorrow if I can!
I really don't care who plays in the open(mens) events but just apply the same rules to them that if they can compete with the best, then they can't step back down to the female events either!
Jeremy
 
Jeremy...Surely you must be talking facetiously here. The top 10 WPBA players barely make a living. The other 22 are scraping by...and the girls playing on regional tours don't make any money at all, after expenses...pretty much like the guys playing on the various other tours. Unless you consider making $10K a year "making a living", your comment doesn't hold water. All this is academic anyway. Women play on the WPBA...men play anywhere they can, whether it is a "men's" event or open. If it is open, then ANYBODY can play (provided they can qualify or post the entry)...which is what this 14.1 tournament SHOULD have been.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

instroke75 said:
What about the 10,000 guys who could make a living if they were allowed to playin the WPBA?

Jeremy
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instroke75 said:
What about the 10,000 guys who could make a living if they were allowed to playin the WPBA?

Hell I am by no means that good of a player and I would love to be able to play in every WPBA event, and Ladies Spirit tour event! I will quit my job tomorrow if I can!
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The only women who can "make a living" on the WPBA, purely from tournament proceeds, are maybe the top 6? Even that seems high. Some of the girls can supplement their incomes by getting sponsorship, but that is unlikely to happen to any male playing on a women's tour.

So, are there 10,000 guys in the world who play well enough to be in the top 6 in the WPBA? IMO, the number is not even remotely close to that. It certainly used to be, maybe even only six or seven years ago. But since then, the level of play on that tour, especially among the top 6 or so, has really improved dramatically.

How good of a player are you, then? You claim to not be that good, but would still love to quit your job and play with them? These statements are incongruous.

Believe me, I'm no great defender of the overall quality of play in women's pool. On the average, it's still woefully poor compared to the men's side. But you're talking about making a living, and the only girls who can do that from tournament wins alone play quite well.

- Steve
 
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Maybe I went a bit far in saying making a living, but I would love to be able t play in those events! I play 1-2 hours a week and play at a higher level than over half the field at any WPBA event, and better than any of the NON- WPBA players who frequent these LST events. Just trying to say that the women get to cherry pick all the small tours and take spots in the open tours and it really isn't fair, because even at my speed which isn't that great, they have more opportunity to make money than anyone!
they get the best of both worlds!
Jeremy
 
Steve Lipsky said:
The only women who can "make a living" on the WPBA, purely from tournament proceeds, are maybe the top 6? Even that seems high. Some of the girls can supplement their incomes by getting sponsorship, but that is unlikely to happen to any male playing on a women's tour.

So, are there 10,000 guys in the world who play well enough to be in the top 6 in the WPBA? IMO, the number is not even remotely close to that. It certainly used to be, maybe even only six or seven years ago. But since then, the level of play on that tour, especially among the top 6 or so, has really improved dramatically.

How good of a player are you, then? You claim to not be that good, but would still love to quit your job and play with them? These statements are incongruous.

Believe me, I'm no great defender of the overall quality of play in women's pool. On the average, it's still woefully poor compared to the men's side. But you're talking about making a living, and the only girls who can do that from tournament wins alone play quite well.

- Steve
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Tap tap. Well said Steve. I know this is a long time ago (1986 about) I played a top WPBA 5 player even in 9-ball and beat her easy. Today you have a champion or two from just about every pool playing country on that tour, and more qualify every month. In my beast years (-A) and playing the best I could back then, I couldn't beat the top ten of them now. Johnnyt
 
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If you can beat the women so well, I don't see why you'd sweat them in any open tournament. If anything, the way you make it out they would be adding to the prize funds (via entry fees) and don't have a chance to make it deep into the field.

instroke75 said:
Maybe I went a bit far in saying making a living, but I would love to be able t play in those events! I play 1-2 hours a week and play at a higher level than over half the field at any WPBA event, and better than any of the NON- WPBA players who frequent these LST events. Just trying to say that the women get to cherry pick all the small tours and take spots in the open tours and it really isn't fair, because even at my speed which isn't that great, they have more opportunity to make money than anyone!
they get the best of both worlds!
Jeremy
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instroke75 said:
Maybe I went a bit far in saying making a living, but I would love to be able t play in those events! I play 1-2 hours a week and play at a higher level than over half the field at any WPBA event, and better than any of the NON- WPBA players who frequent these LST events. Just trying to say that the women get to cherry pick all the small tours and take spots in the open tours and it really isn't fair, because even at my speed which isn't that great, they have more opportunity to make money than anyone!
they get the best of both worlds!
Jeremy
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Well then play in both UPA events, which are men only, and WPA events, which are open to both genders. Women don't complain about not being able to play in UPA tournaments. Why do some guys feel they need to whine about not being able to play in the WPBA tournaments??
 
Marissa, I think some of the men are saying something like "You stay out of our tournaments and we'll stay out of yours." Which I think is a fair statement.

I don't think there is any threat of a man playing in a WPBA event.

I agree that as long as you have a women's tour and a men's tour, then players should play in their own events only.

Open events that are not designated men or women is a different thing.
 
instroke75 said:
Maybe I went a bit far in saying making a living, but I would love to be able t play in those events! I play 1-2 hours a week and play at a higher level than over half the field at any WPBA event, and better than any of the NON- WPBA players who frequent these LST events. Just trying to say that the women get to cherry pick all the small tours and take spots in the open tours and it really isn't fair, because even at my speed which isn't that great, they have more opportunity to make money than anyone!
they get the best of both worlds!
Jeremy
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I've got a dollar towards your operation if you want to play on the women's tour.:thumbup:
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Marissa, I think some of the men are saying something like "You stay out of our tournaments and we'll stay out of yours." Which I think is a fair statement.

I don't think there is any threat of a man playing in a WPBA event.

I agree that as long as you have a women's tour and a men's tour, then players should play in their own events only.

Open events that are not designated men or women is a different thing.
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And that's fine. The 14.1 was not a UPA event. It was WPA, which is open to both genders. Women don't try to even play in the UPA tournaments so what is all the commotion about?
 
Marissa, there have been some statements here that it is OK for women to move up and play in men's events, but not for men to play in the women's events.

This is all I'm saying, is that you have a WPBA for a reason and men have the UPA for a reason, and neither should cross the line and play in the other's sanctioned events.

I don't believe it's fair to either.
 
Equal opportunity only seems fair when it applies to women, but when we ask for it we are whining? Oh well!
Jeremy
 
instroke75 said:
Equal opportunity only seems fair when it applies to women, but when we ask for it we are whining? Oh well!
Jeremy
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The women aren't playing in the men's events so where is this unfair equal opportunity you speak of?
 
It seems to me that the only men who complain about women playing in tournaments are those that are afraid of being beaten by a woman.

I won't mention any names, but there were men in this tournament, who didn't belong there, but nobody is complaining about them.

In pool, there is no reason why men and women can not play in the same tournament. The World Champion should be the best player. If you exclude women, some will say you didn't get the best. By including everyone in a World Championship, you should be getting the best.

BTW, I do realize that this event was not a true World Championship and many players were excluded. :(
 
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