World 14.1 Times & Forfeiture of Mike Sigel's Match

LOL. I never stated I wasn't part of the problem. The culture here for treating pros poorly is pervasive and complete. My point was that pros don't post here and I don't blame them.

I think it wouldn't be hard to search either your history superstar, or yours jam, to find negative posts on a specific pro. In my 1200 post history you wouldn't find any by me, until yesterday. And now you still won't find it. LOL.

Glad to see you back with us. I guess the medical problem you complained about yesterday wasn't all that serious afterall. Maybe it was all the attention, I mean sympathy, that was needed to do the trick.

Rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
LOL. I never stated I wasn't part of the problem. The culture here for treating pros poorly is pervasive and complete. My point was that pros don't post here and I don't blame them.

I think it wouldn't be hard to search either your history superstar, or yours jam, to find negative posts on a specific pro. In my 1200 post history you wouldn't find any by me, until yesterday. And now you still won't find it. LOL.

Glad to see you back with us. I guess the medical problem you complained about yesterday wasn't all that serious afterall. Maybe it was all the attention, I mean sympathy, that was needed to do the trick.

Rg

You don't know when to quit. Maybe it's the company you keep.

Oh, BTW, SUPERSTAR and JAM aren't the only ones to have an opinion about the company you keep.

In the words of James Coburn: No matter what you do, you'll always smell like fish.

Mildew mold, to be exact.

JAM
 
NYC cue dude said:
I guess the medical problem you complained about yesterday wasn't all that serious afterall. Maybe it was all the attention, I mean sympathy, that was needed to do the trick.Rg

Talk about being out of line! JAM, Keith and I have questioned each other for years. I would never suggest their problems were for sympathy. I call it medical emergency.

I understand you feel hurt. I contributed financially to bring pool tournaments to Rochester and then was slandered by the players questioning my intentions. Having said that, enough is enough please.

Lyn
 
NYC cue dude said:
I think it wouldn't be hard to search either your history superstar, or yours jam, to find negative posts on a specific pro.

I guess the medical problem you complained about yesterday wasn't all that serious afterall. Maybe it was all the attention, I mean sympathy, that was needed to do the trick.

Rg

People that are criticized, have earned it plain and simple.

But on the other hand, I started a thread recently about wannabes who were backers. Maybe i should have thrown promoters in there a well.
If you can paint people in a certain light saying they need sympathy, maybe the same twist can be used/said about promoters who do it under the pretense of "for the love of the game" because they really just want to use that as an opportunity to be a recognized name in the pool world who like to toot their own horn and drop that "i'm a wealthy promoter" info every chance they get.

Because in reality, maybe it's the only way they can get the acclaim that they so desperately want.

Sounds pathetic to me.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
People that are criticized, have earned it plain and simple.

But on the other hand, I started a thread recently about wannabes who were backers. Maybe i should have thrown promoters in there a well.
If you can paint people in a certain light saying they need sympathy, maybe the same twist can be used/said about promoters who do it under the pretense of "for the love of the game" because they really just want to use that as an opportunity to be a recognized name in the pool world who like to toot their own horn and drop that "i'm a wealthy promoter" info every chance they get.

Because in reality, maybe it's the only way they can get the acclaim that they so desperately want.

Sounds pathetic to me.


Gee superstar, you seem a little bit obssesed about how other people spend their money. Perhaps there is a latent inferiority complex brewing within yourself that could use some counseling. Afterall, it is YOU who have brought up the issue, unsolicited, on multiple occasions.

Don't pretend to know how someone like me thinks. Not only will you be wrong ALL of the time, I'm afraid you'll hurt yourself in the process. It only makes you look small.

Rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
Gee superstar, you seem a little bit obssesed about how other people spend their money. Perhaps there is a latent inferiority complex brewing within yourself that could use some counseling. Afterall, it is YOU who have brought up the issue, unsolicited, on multiple occasions.

Don't pretend to know how someone like me thinks. Not only will you be wrong ALL of the time, I'm afraid you'll hurt yourself in the process. It only makes you look small.

Rg


Money has nothing to do with it, despite your attempt to make it so.

It has to do with misrepresenting oneself and trying to assert ones self worth in the public eye, when people don't care.

Based on some posts, it is quite possible that you know EXACTLY what i am talking about.
 
You did say this right?

NYC cue dude said:
I think it wouldn't be hard to search either your history superstar, or yours jam, to find negative posts on a specific pro. In my 1200 post history you wouldn't find any by me, until yesterday. And now you still won't find it. LOL.
Rg

Yet with little effort, I find this post with which you started you own thread, with the sole intent to be negative to a specific person.

NYC cue dude said:
Just a tidbit of info for those rallying to support Grady's inclusion to the World Straight Pool Championships.

Although I was not there, I heard that Grady bought into the straight pool challenge 3 TIMES at the DCC. Being the elite caliber player that he is today, he had a tremendous high run at the event, (also probably a personal best of recent times), of 7 BALLS.

Clearly with that strong showing he should get a coveted invitaiton to this world class event, right?

Furthermore, with regards to Mike Zuglan, I was under the impression he DID receive an invitation. I was told early on (in September) that he was #27 on the list and would be receiving an invitation. I do know some invitations were sent out, but I am not certain if all of them have been delivered. Perhaps he will be receiving one in the near future.

He has my vote, but again, in this case, I have no influence.

BTW, more power to Grady hosting his own 14.1 event. The original point of my participation was to bring this very special discipline of pool back to the forefront. I suppose with all the attention and perhaps an additional high caliber event, I managed to succeed, again.

Regards

Randy

DOH!!!

What is that last sentence? You tooting your own horn yet again? GASP! :eek: Who would have thought.


(SUPERSTAR turns to the audience and says)
You gotta love when someone makes a total ass out of themselves.

(turning back to NYC cue dude)
We all know what kind of warm person you are buddy.:D

I WIN!
next case
 
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Wow, the main forum is a scary place these days, lol. I'll be sticking to the straight pool section if anyone wants to find me.

I did want to add my two cents to the debate, though. First, I'd be willing to bet that Sigel read the chart wrong. When they put the chart up, some of the 1pm matches were mixed in with the group of the 11am matches, and vice versa. If not "some", then at least "one" (on each side), because I remember thinking to myself that someone was going to show up at the wrong time because of it. It was just a strange way to stagger the matches. Still, it's the player's responsibility to make sure, and I'd bet that it was Mike's fault.

Since 8 matches were going on during both the 11am and the 1pm session, if they changed the match times on Danny and Mike, wouldn't they have also had to change them for two other players in the later round? Has anyone stepped up to claim this?

However, one thing that Dragon could improve upon is their scoring system. Because of the nature of this tournament, you have to wait until all the matches are done before you can do the seeding. This happened fairly late Wednesday night. But the REAL problem is that they should have had two things in place:

1) An excel program to automatically do the seeding as soon as the final match scores were entered. Cindy and her staff (all great people and very hardworking) were doing the seeding with pen, paper, and cell phone calculators. And it looked like they hadn't even started until every match was final (they could have done ball counts on those players who were already finished earlier). It is no exaggeration to say that this process took about another hour at least, and again, it was already late. A mildly elaborate excel program could have done this in seconds.

2) They could have had a cell phone sheet, whereby you write your name, your number, and that you agree to getting a text message as soon as your match time is posted. This would not have been hard to implement, and would have been useful for those people who did not want to come back down to the tournament hall that night.

These are just suggestions for next year. All in all, it's a great tournament.

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
...Since 8 matches were going on during both the 11am and the 1pm session, if they changed the match times on Danny and Mike, wouldn't they have also had to change them for two other players in the later round? Has anyone stepped up to claim this?

- Steve


I agree with Steve and actually mentioned this in my post in the other thread. It doesn't make sense that only 1 match was changed given the number of tables and times that were slated for play. I didn't hear of anyone else mentioning their match time had been changed and it seems that would have had to be the case.

On a side note -- thanks, Steve, for the strong effort you made last week. I enjoyed watching and was pulling for you.
 
Steve,

Another great post. Congratulations on your excellent showing.

I really thought Dan H. would have played better. Wait till next year. He really has the bug now. Mike S. stopped by the room today. Watched him for about two hours playing eight ball with a friend. He's leaving for California tomorrow. Moving somewhere just north of LA. 14.1 event is already a distant memory not worth talking about. I will miss him if only for the "push" he gives me to practice. I guess I'll just have to wait for Pat Howey to come home next month.

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Steve,

Another great post. Congratulations on your excellent showing.

I really thought Dan H. would have played better. Wait till next year. He really has the bug now. Mike S. stopped by the room today. Watched him for about two hours playing eight ball with a friend. He's leaving for California tomorrow. Moving somewhere just north of LA. 14.1 event is already a distant memory not worth talking about. I will miss him if only for the "push" he gives me to practice. I guess I'll just have to wait for Pat Howey to come home next month.

Lyn

Let's see Trudough has a pad in Ojai, about 75 miles North of L.A. It's near Ventura. Looks like those two will be shacking up again. Love is a many splendored thing! ;)

By the way, last I heard some people still haven't received full payment from the final IPT tournament, two years ago. And most of the promised monies to Qualifiers has never been paid. Maybe they are on an extendedddddd payment plan.
 
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jay helfert said:
Let's see Trudough has a pad in Ojai, about 75 miles North of L.A. It's near Ventura. Looks like those two will be shacking up again. Love is a many splendored thing! ;)

That's the place Jay.

Lyn
 
superstar, your foolishness is only overshadowed by your ignorance.

With regards to grady, he is the sole reason why I no longer lend financial support to pool in any way. After the first announcement of the resurection of the world straight pool championships, I received a call from grady asking to be included by way of invitation. I explained thoroughly and completely to him that I was ONLY the financial benefactor for the event and in no way did I have any influence over any other aspect of the event. The only "demand" on my part was that the event be held in NYC. Furthermore, not only was I not in charge of the invitations, I had no say in who did or didn't receive one. I did promise him that I would inquire on his behalf with the folks at DP. It was unbeknownst to me at the time of the ongoing rift between grady and DP. I was told by DP to "not get involved".

Shortly thereafter, grady started a viscious smear campaign on this forum, against DP and myself. This was after I had taken the time to explain my role to him. This went on for over a YEAR. The ad hominem attacks on me were unwarrented, and his frustrations with DP were taken out on me. Of course, the Kool aid drinkers on this forum took this as a cue to begin piling on me too.

Since your in the searching mode, follow up with his posts during this time frame and inform yourself.

What I gleaned from your statement of me tooting my own horn is that your a simple man, superstar. Am i right? Anyone with any business savy, and any modicum of success knows that setting goals when undertaking a project is the prudent thing to do. Apparently, you are neither.

When I was approached about being involved with this particular event, I agreed to participate with one goal in mind. I had other ancillary reasons too, like my friendships with john schmidt, tony robles and Charlie Williams. As an avid lover of straight pool, though, my goal was to see this particular genre flourish again. You can call it horn tooting, or anything else your simple mind can think of. I call it an achievment, a job well done and the fulfillment of my goal.

At the end of the day, and after all the I'll informed keyboard warriors had their say, I decided to walk away and leave pool where I found it, going nowhere, fast. Contrary to your opinion, I don't need the spotlight or adulation of strangers to feel important. I lead a very different life away from this game. As a retired 42 year old, I seek out the opposite of what your preconceived notions of me are. Ideally, I choose to be left alone with my wife and daughter, without stress or a care in the world. There is no greater achievemnt in the world. I promise you this, superstar, that if you roll up your sleeves, work hard and set goals for yourself, maybe you too can someday experience this bliss I'm referring to.

Rg
 
Fish? I ain't buying it,too coincidental.

I was wondering what that nasty, fish smell was. I can only smell it though, when you show up to post.

Please learn to practice better personal hygenie. Perhaps by showering next time before logging on?

Rg
(really glad that mystery is now solved)
 
Are YOU ready....are YOU ready... Let's get it on!

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KEYS TO VICTORY:

NYC CUE DUDE:

- Can buy the ref
- Can buy the judges
- The best corner money can buy

JAM:

- Can punch at 150 taps per minute
- Can call in an Earthquake for back-up
- Never needs a corner, she already knows everything (*wink*)


......ARE YOU READY, ARE YOU READY........
LETS GET IT ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
 
SUPERSTAR said:
I started a thread recently about wannabes who were backers. Maybe i should have thrown promoters in there a well.

........ maybe the same twist can be used/said about promoters who do it under the pretense of "for the love of the game" because they really just want to use that as an opportunity to be a recognized name in the pool world who like to toot their own horn and drop that "i'm a wealthy promoter" info every chance they get.

Because in reality, maybe it's the only way they can get the acclaim that they so desperately want.
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Superstar,
While I really have nothing to contribute to the ongoing flame war; please reconsider your stance on this subject.

I know several local and national promoters who really do love the game. This should not preclude them from making a profit for their work; and should not subject them to scorn. Most go into it prepared to lose money; and if their ego is stroked by their contribution perhaps they deserve it for contributing to a great game.........yes, actually, I think they DO deserve it (and significantly more than the critics who contribute nothing but their noise).

If there are to be pool tournaments, someone has to step up and organize them. Your view of things seems quite jaded.
 
NYC cue dude said:
Fish? I ain't buying it,too coincidental.

I was wondering what that nasty, fish smell was. I can only smell it though, when you show up to post.

Please learn to practice better personal hygenie. Perhaps by showering next time before logging on?

Rg
(really glad that mystery is now solved)

The only fish on this forum would be one who thinks money can buy friendships with pool players.

Without said money, the pool players wouldn't be giving a fish the time of day.

In the words of James Coburn who played the character "Speed" in the 1975 movie "Hard Times": No matter what you do, you'll always smell like fish."

Pool players do love themselves some fish!

JAM
 
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