World 14.1 Times & Forfeiture of Mike Sigel's Match

[!Smorgass Bored]

The "KoreanDragon" Rules Dragon Promotions And It's Employees

It's been my experience and therefore MY OPINION that if the player in question were Charlie Williams, that one of the following would happen:
Charlie would be allowed to change into the appropriate attire and return for his 11:00 a.m. match without being put on the clock or forfeiting his match, no matter how long it took.

.......OR (as usual)

Charlie's match time would be changed to 1:00 p.m. (or later) and his opponent, who had shown up on time would be left to stand around for 3 hours, whether he liked it or not.

Even when Charlie is not the TD, his Dragon Promotions is given the benefit of the doubt where Charlie Williams is concerned. Charlie NEVER has to pay the piper when he is the one at fault. Which of the listed TDs are going to face the wrath of Charlie Williams by deciding against CW approved solutions ?

When it doesn't include him, he's always right. When he's at fault, he's always right. If he or one of his inner circle cronies make a decision, it always favors Charlie and he/they are ALWAYS right.

Charlie Williams is a priviledged character and can do no wrong.

Doug
(talk among yourselves, I've seen it first hand and my opinion will not be changed by CW or his 'yes men')


*Edited: to protect the family jewels.

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[alstl]

It's been my experience and therefore MY OPINION that if the player in question were Charlie Williams, that one of the following would happen:
Charlie would be allowed to change into the appropriate attire and return for his 11:00 a.m. match without being put on the clock or forfeiting his match, no matter how long it took.

.......OR (as usual)

Charlie's match time would be changed to 1:00 p.m. (or later) and his opponent, who had shown up on time would be left to stand around for 3 hours, whether he liked it or not.

Even when Charlie is not the TD, his Dragon Promotions is given the benefit of the doubt where Charlie Williams is concerned. Charlie NEVER has to pay the piper when he is the one at fault. Which of the listed TDs are going to face the wrath of Charlie Williams by deciding against CW approved solutions ?

When it doesn't include him, he's always right. When he's at fault, he's always right. If he or one of his inner circle cronies make a decision, it always favors Charlie and he/they are ALWAYS right.

Charlie Williams is a priviledged character and can do no wrong.

Doug
(talk among yourselves, I've seen it first hand and my opinion will not be changed by CW or his nut huggers)

Not sure what a nut hugger is but I'll be if they hug tight enough you will change your opinion.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I Don't Want to End Up With My Foot In My Mouth....imo (or any other body parts)

Not sure what a nut hugger is but I'll bet if they hug tight enough you will change your opinion.

I've given your response the consideration it deserves and I've decided that you're right. I've changed my opinion on the nut huggers and I'm going back to Delete that part of my post before someone tries to prove their point.

Doug
(not much of a 'hugger' to begin with)

 

[The Beginner]

Why are your Reps are 'RED'??

WOW i was just asking why his REPS are red and RAYDM gave me a negative feedback :thumbup:

 

[ScottW]

When did all the adults flee AZB, and all the middle schoolers pile in?

 

[Sweet Marissa]

WOW i was just asking why his REPS are red and RAYDM gave me a negative feedback :thumbup:

I got some red from him when I was relaying how CW let himself into my hotel room when I was working for Dragon Promotions and I woke up screaming because he had crawled into my bed naked. Neg reps... I just laughed quietly to myself.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

It's been my experience and therefore MY OPINION that if the player in question were Charlie Williams, that one of the following would happen:
Charlie would be allowed to change into the appropriate attire and return for his 11:00 a.m. match without being put on the clock or forfeiting his match, no matter how long it took.

.......OR (as usual)

Charlie's match time would be changed to 1:00 p.m. (or later) and his opponent, who had shown up on time would be left to stand around for 3 hours, whether he liked it or not.

Even when Charlie is not the TD, his Dragon Promotions is given the benefit of the doubt where Charlie Williams is concerned. Charlie NEVER has to pay the piper when he is the one at fault. Which of the listed TDs are going to face the wrath of Charlie Williams by deciding against CW approved solutions ?

When it doesn't include him, he's always right. When he's at fault, he's always right. If he or one of his inner circle cronies make a decision, it always favors Charlie and he/they are ALWAYS right.

Charlie Williams is a priviledged character and can do no wrong.

Doug
(talk among yourselves, I've seen it first hand and my opinion will not be changed by CW or his 'yes men')


*Edited: to protect the family jewels.

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I challenge.

It is not your opinion.

It is FACT!
Don't sugar coat it, tell em like it is.
What's the worst that can happen. Either the thread gets yanked, or CW attempts to stick his red stiletto pump up your a.ss.

But look on the bright side.

The boy is butt ugly, and has to go through life looking at that butt ugly face in the mirror.

 

[ribdoner]

I challenge.

It is not your opinion.

It is FACT!
Don't sugar coat it, tell em like it is.
What's the worst that can happen. Either the thread gets yanked, or CW attempts to stick his red stiletto pump stuck up your a.ss.

But look on the bright side.

The boy is butt ugly, and has to go through life looking at that butt ugly face in the mirror.[/QUOTE]

He can't be uglier than JIM NABORS and JIM got play:smile:

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Yeah, but Jim could sing his a.ss off. Singing well goes a long way to make up for ugly.

What's Charlie got.

I'm betting he gets no play. He goes to a club and sits there alone in the corner.

 

[poolcuemaster]

Old can't run a tournament Charlie's company needs to pay Scott Smith or Jay Helfert to run the darn thing. period.--Leonard

 

[JAM]

This response leaves some questions unanswered. How were the players notified? Was it a verbal announcement made in the room? If that's the case, there is always a possibility one or more players may not have heard it. Was this information/notification posted on the tournament board?

How did players know if they were seeded 1-8, and what their opponents seeding was? And when and how were they notified of this? If it were me, I would prefer to write in the eight matches on the tournament board and put a match time next to each one. Maybe that's too simple. K.I.S.S.

Voice of experience, that's our Jay Helfert. I can guarantee you that if Jay was running this event, the times would have been posted, so that all 32 players would have been INFORMED when their matches were. To inform some and not all is nothing more than administrative negligence.

The response by Korean Dragon, though is a good gesture on his part to take the time to post on this forum, does seem vague and cryptic.

What a shame that a professional veteran, world-class straight pool champion, and BCA Hall of Famer like Mike Sigel wasn't informed about his match times, like the rest of the players were.

For the young'ns on this thread, this ain't Mike Sigel's first rodeo, and I hope it's not his last. What a shame Sigel wasn't given the correct information from the start. Nobody likes to get forfeited, and professional players don't get forfeited; that is, unless they're in a DP event. History repeats itself, like it did with Shane Van Boening and Corey Deuel at the DP Florida tournament when they too were forfeited.

Something is rotten in Denmark when professional players, seasoned veterans of the sport, and pool players with over a thousand tournaments-plus under their belt seem to be forfeited often at DP events and not other pool tournaments.

JAM

 

[JAM]

To clarify, the times were posted immediately after the final round robin matches and calculations were finished late Wed evening.
The players were notified seeds #1-8 would play later rounds at 1pm. If a player not seeded in top 8 was not playing a #1-8 seed, they would play at 11am.

Approximately 30 players,coaches,fans were there to check tournament times, Mike Sigel was not present.

There was no correction or change of times.
Danny Harriman, Sigel's opponent, was present to see his match time after the round robin calculations and was there on time for his match at 11am.

Thank you for taking the time to write an explanation.

It would be helpful to know what time the matches were posted on the chart? Was it well after some players left the venue site, late in the evening?

You state 30 players, coaches, and fans were there to check the tournament times. Why did Mike beleive his match began at 1:00 p.m.? I don't believe Mike picked 1 o'clock match time out of thin air.

JAM

 

[MikeM]

Thank you for taking the time to write an explanation.

It would be helpful to know what time the matches were posted on the chart? Was it well after some players left the venue site, late in the evening?

You state 30 players, coaches, and fans were there to check the tournament times. Why did Mike beleive his match began at 1:00 p.m.? I don't believe Mike picked 1 o'clock match time out of thin air.

JAM

Just a guess, but it sounds like Sigel assumed he would be seeded in the top 8 and therefore assumed his match was at 11.

I really HATE to take anything resembling CW's side, but...just saying...it looks like he/DP may not really be at fault here.

MM

 

[tigerseye]

Maybe Mike forgot he isn't in the top 8 anymore?? =)

 

[JAM]

Just a guess, but it sounds like Sigel assumed he would be seeded in the top 8 and therefore assumed his match was at 11.

I really HATE to take anything resembling CW's side, but...just saying...it looks like he/DP may not really be at fault here.

MM

I wonder if that same is true when Corey and Shane were forfeited in Florida. Must be a trend.

JAM

 

[unknownpro]

To clarify, the times were posted immediately after the final round robin matches and calculations were finished late Wed evening.
The players were notified seeds #1-8 would play later rounds at 1pm. If a player not seeded in top 8 was not playing a #1-8 seed, they would play at 11am.

Approximately 30 players,coaches,fans were there to check tournament times, Mike Sigel was not present.

There was no correction or change of times.
Danny Harriman, Sigel's opponent, was present to see his match time after the round robin calculations and was there on time for his match at 11am.

I think some of you may need to re-read that. He didn't say the times were not posted, he said the times were posted.

 

[JAM]

I think some of you may need to re-read that. He didn't say the times were not posted, he said the times were posted.

If it were a newbie who got forfeited, I may understand it better.

I'm sorry. I have difficulty believing that Mike Sigel, a world champion, veteran player, and BCA Hall of Famer read his match times incorrectly.

The fact that Shane Van Boening and Corey Deuel were forfeited by the DP team in Florida less than a month ago makes this seem like a trend with DP events.

JAM

 

[jay helfert]

I think some of you may need to re-read that. He didn't say the times were not posted, he said the times were posted.

He actually contradicts himself in the same post. First saying that match times were posted, and then offering some explanation about seedings and how they pertain to match times. I DID read it again, and I still don't quite understand it. Do you?

 

[Nostroke]

He actually contradicts himself in the same post. First saying that match times were posted, and then offering some explanation about seedings and how they pertain to match times. I DID read it again, and I still don't quite understand it. Do you?

In CW's defense, he cant write worth a sh#t and neither can anyone on his staff. Thats one thing he and Barry B have in common.

 

[JamisonNeu]

I got some red from him when I was relaying how CW let himself into my hotel room when I was working for Dragon Promotions and I woke up screaming because he had crawled into my bed naked. Neg reps... I just laughed quietly to myself.

Very sorry this happend to you.
Good job Charlie way to represent pool like a basketball player would.