would anyone buy this ?

poolhustler said:
Hi Kam,

I don't think that you were wrong in posting your question the way you did.

You did not mention names, some one else did, you were just looking for advice.

I would also recomend hanging the shafts for a bit and see if they straighten out. Not likely, but worth a try.

I had a BCM cue that was very slightly warped and it was absolutely straight after a month or so.

Good seller and good buyer = NO WORRIES!! :thumbup:

Take care,

Russ......

Russ,
Mentioning names was a formality.. I heard from MANY people what the story was about Ken Carfago's deal.. Small community.. One person knows, everyone knows... The witch hunt for a name on AZ already started..

I didn't have any involvement with this deal, but wanted to see a happy ending between 2 people I know.. Ken Carfagno does his own cue business and has a good name..

As Kam stated, He and I have done many High End deals with the greatest of ease, and I have great respect for those transactions.

If there is anyway I can help either side don't hesitate to call..
Best,
Ken Kerner
 
HighEndCues said:
Russ,
Mentioning names was a formality.. I heard from MANY people what the story was about Ken Carfago's deal.. Small community.. One person knows, everyone knows... The witch hunt for a name on AZ already started..

I didn't have any involvement with this deal, but wanted to see a happy ending between 2 people I know.. Ken Carfagno does his own cue business and has a good name..

As Kam stated, He and I have done many High End deals with the greatest of ease, and I have great respect for those transactions.

If there is anyway I can help either side don't hesitate to call..
Best,
Ken Kerner

Hi Ken,

I have heard nothing but GOOD things about both of you "ken's" and also of Kam.

I'd bet my last dollar that things will be worked out just fine!!

Take care,

Russ....
 
I Think Collectively,the Az Community Is Getting Sick, And Repulsed By The So Called ''trunkies'' Sellng Bull Shit Items For Major Prices To Our Much Respected Players And Colectors......

Time For The Buyers Such As Our Well Respected 'kam' To Expose You Frauds,,, And Leave Us All As To Our Az Family To Love., Play, And Support Our Wonderful Game Of Pool As It Needs Be,,,,,,,

I , Am Not One To Hide Behind ''beer Muscles'' Or A Pc Board, Feel Free To Contact Me At......

Alan Ende,,

[518] 263- 5127......... Thanks Guys And Gals Of ''az'',,,,,,

MAN,,YA KNOW I AM READING THIS AGAIN, ,,,,,$4,000 FOR A WARPED CUE ??? ARE YOU NUTS .LOW CLASS DEALER ???? CALLL ME AS I WILL KNOW NEVER TO DEAL WITH AN A-HOLE LIKE YOU...................!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALAN ENDE,AND P.S...DO THE RIGHT THING BY KAM.......
 
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putt-putt44 said:
Alan Ende,,



neither of the kens fall into this category .. i have nothing but respect for both of them and their contribution to collectors through their offerings of high end cues .. they are both known well to all top cue makers and are well liked and are extremely knowledgeable in the field ..

i would not hesitate to buy from them again and again ...

there are those that are malicious and there are definitely cons out there.. these two men are not in that category !

kindly delete that post - i would not want such comments on any thread that i start .. your co-operation is much appreciated...
 
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putt-putt44 said:
I Think Collectively,the Az Community Is Getting Sick, And Repulsed By The So Called ''trunkies'' Sellng Bull Shit Items For Major Prices To Our Much Respected Players And Colectors......

Time For The Buyers Such As Our Well Respected 'kam' To Expose You Frauds,,, And Leave Us All As To Our Az Family To Love., Play, And Support Our Wonderful Game Of Pool As It Needs Be,,,,,,,

I , Am Not One To Hide Behind ''beer Muscles'' Or A Pc Board, Feel Free To Contact Me At......

Alan Ende,,

[518] 263- 5127......... Thanks Guys And Gals Of ''az'',,,,,,

MAN,,YA KNOW I AM READING THIS AGAIN, ,,,,,$4,000 FOR A WARPED CUE ??? ARE YOU NUTS .LOW CLASS DEALER ???? CALLL ME AS I WILL KNOW NEVER TO DEAL WITH AN A-HOLE LIKE YOU...................!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALAN ENDE,AND P.S...DO THE RIGHT THING BY KAM.......

Someone been drinkin' a bit too much today???
 
kamdaswani said:
i just bought a high end cue from a dealer ... just under 4k

it came with 2 warped shafts ( i was not told they were warped )

now the question is, if the cue still plays ok, would i ever be able to sell it ?
or would every one shun it due to the shafts being warped ?

the cue does not roll straight, the shafts wobble .. is there any price at which some one would buy it anyway ? or is this just fire wood now ?

i am trying to asses the risk here .. if it is a dead investment anyway, it would be worth taking the risk to ship it back to the cue maker in hopes of it being made more play worthy but of course that entails more expense ... 600 for new shafts and x amount for a refinish etc...

any thoughts ?

i would rather not undo the deal with the guy i got it from as it involved trades as well as cash and it all just gets too complicated ...


Its a bad deal for sure, but its the shafts not the butt. Therefore its just a $500-$600 problem not a disaster, but since its a $4,000 cue it is 15% which alot. I'd say something and have the seller make it right.
 
cornerstone said:
maybe you can talk to the dealer and ask him if he would have the shafts replaced. you can mic ths joint and call the cue maker and see if he needs the butt?and the pavlos is right wood moves. i seen some cues that were laying on a table when a hurricane came in and it wobbled like a drunk sailor. and 3 days later it was straight as a arrow!!. also if the cue has ivory, sending it back to the states could cause a problem!(customs) talk with the dealer most will stand behind what they sell. and some wont! that is why i started my buisness! good luck kam!!! your to good of a guy to be dissatisfied! but at least give the dealer a chance to make good and when he does give him praise, and if he dosent let people know! Bill


This is very true, Shafts do change sometimes. I had a Szam that had 2 perfect shafts when I bought it, it was a 3 year old cue that hadnt ever been used when I recieved it, about 6 months later one of the shafts was warped real bad the other is still perfect, who knows why, its nobodys fault. When I got the cue it was perfect. I have had shafts go bad and then get straight, sometimes in a few days other times over a few months, what matters is the butt.
 
I Could Go On And On About A ''dealer'' That Hada ''played And Owned'' Eddie Taylor Cue For Just Under $20, 000..

OH,.............PS,, EDDIE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS ''PRESENTRD WITH THAT CUE AND THAT HE NEVER REALLY HIT ANY BALLS'' WITH IT,,,,[MAYBE 20 ] AND THAT HE HATED ANY OF THE MAKESRS CUE[ STILL LIVING SO I WILL BE DISCRET}..........

GET YOUR COIN BACK KAM !!

THE REST IS B.S !!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY,IF ANYONE WANTS TO CALL ME ..........MY PHONE NUMBER IS [518] 263- 5127........

THAKS GUYS AND GOILS !! ALAN ENDE..............

I JUST HATE TO SEE PEOPLE RIPPED OFF GUYS AND GIRLS ,NO MORE/ NO LESS ,,AGAIN,IF I MAY BE OF SOME SERVICE TO ANYONE, PLEASE FREE TO CONTACT ME,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALAN,,,,,,,,,,,
 
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putt-putt44 said:
I Could Go On And On About A ''dealer'' That Hada ''played And Owned'' Eddie Taylor Cue For Just Under $20, 000..

OH,.............PS,, EDDIE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS ''PRESENTRD WITH THAT CUE AND THAT HE NEVER REALLY HIT ANY BALLS'' WITH IT,,,,[MAYBE 20 ] AND THAT HE HATED ANY OF THE MAKESRS CUE[ STILL LIVING SO I WILL BE DISCRET}..........

GET YOUR COIN BACK KAM !!

THE REST IS B.S !!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY,IF ANYONE WANTS TO CALL ME ..........MY PHONE NUMBER IS [518] 263- 5127........

THAKS GUYS AND GOILS !! ALAN ENDE..............

I JUST HATE TO SEE PEOPLE RIPPED OFF GUYS AND GIRLS ,NO MORE/ NO LESS ,,AGAIN,IF I MAY BE OF SOME SERVICE TO ANYONE, PLEASE FREE TO CONTACT ME,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALAN,,,,,,,,,,,


Whoa, calm down on the caps, a bit. I think I am going deaf.

You are not providing a service here to anyone. I think everyone knowa that this is getting worked out, and nobody is placing blame on either party. Things happen. It is not a perfect world. Nothing underhanded is going on here.

Both parties are reasonable, upstanding people. Good options have already been given without the interference of anyone else. This is getting worked out.

The purpose of this thread as I see it, was just to get some feedback on how a bit of a wobble can affect the potential value of a great cue. The OP was just trying to get some feedback while mulling over his options.


Everything has been cival, and should stay that way.
 
putt-putt44 said:
I Could Go On And On About A ''dealer'' That Hada ''played And Owned'' Eddie Taylor Cue For Just Under $20, 000..

OH,.............PS,, EDDIE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS ''PRESENTRD WITH THAT CUE AND THAT HE NEVER REALLY HIT ANY BALLS'' WITH IT,,,,[MAYBE 20 ] AND THAT HE HATED ANY OF THE MAKESRS CUE[ STILL LIVING SO I WILL BE DISCRET}..........

GET YOUR COIN BACK KAM !!

THE REST IS B.S !!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY,IF ANYONE WANTS TO CALL ME ..........MY PHONE NUMBER IS [518] 263- 5127........

THAKS GUYS AND GOILS !! ALAN ENDE..............

I JUST HATE TO SEE PEOPLE RIPPED OFF GUYS AND GIRLS ,NO MORE/ NO LESS ,,AGAIN,IF I MAY BE OF SOME SERVICE TO ANYONE, PLEASE FREE TO CONTACT ME,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALAN,,,,,,,,,,,

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED IN THE SITUATION, BUT I'M LOVING THE CAPS LOCK.....
 
poolpro said:
Whoa, calm down on the caps, a bit. I think I am going deaf.

You are not providing a service here to anyone. I think everyone knowa that this is getting worked out, and nobody is placing blame on either party. Things happen. It is not a perfect world. Nothing underhanded is going on here.

Both parties are reasonable, upstanding people. Good options have already been given without the interference of anyone else. This is getting worked out.

The purpose of this thread as I see it, was just to get some feedback on how a bit of a wobble can affect the potential value of a great cue. The OP was just trying to get some feedback while mulling over his options.


Everything has been cival, and should stay that way.

I think he's just lonely and is looking for someone to call him. Somebody call this poor guy and give him a couple of minutes of conversation. :cool:
 
Hey Shakes My Man,,,
Pardon My Typing Skills But I Am Not Lonely Son,,,,,,
I Just Hate To See People Ripped Off In Our Great Sport/ Game / Pastime,,,,,,,,,ARE RIPPED OFF.....

A Bogus ''eddie Taylor '' Cue That Was Sold For $18,000.00 Really Pisses Me Off Man,,,,,,,,,

Rest Assured , That I Would Come To Your Aid Like Anyone Elses On Such A B.s. Piece,,,

I Was Very Fortunate To Have Been Closeto Eddie Taylor, Doreen And Pam In All Of Our Resoective Lives,,,,,,,,,

I Was One Of The Fortunate Ones Pal,no Problem,no Hassle, Pal,,,,,,alan,,,,,,,,,,

I Juts Can't Stand It When Our Az Community Is Ripped Off,,,,,,,,,,

God Bless,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,alan Ende,,,,,,,,,
 
Hey Guys,,,,,,,
Still Waiting For That ''dealer '' To Challenge Me On That Bull Shit '' Eddie Taylor'' Cue,,,,,,,,

Again Guys/ And Gals,i Hate To See Guys Like ''kam'' Ripped Off For Big Dollars,,,,,,,,,,heck,,,,,,$18,0000 Is Alot Of Money Regardless Of Who You Are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,alan Ende...........

He's One Of Us Fine Azer's,,,,,,,,, Enjoy The Weekend ,,,,,,,alan,,
 
I agree you will never be happy with the cue and will always associate it with being screwed over.

I'd take either new shafts at no charge to you or a refund in this case...or perhaps a huge credit from the dealer.
 
putt-putt44 said:
Hey Guys,,,,,,,
Still Waiting For That ''dealer '' To Challenge Me On That Bull Shit '' Eddie Taylor'' Cue,,,,,,,,

Again Guys/ And Gals,i Hate To See Guys Like ''kam'' Ripped Off For Big Dollars,,,,,,,,,,heck,,,,,,$18,0000 Is Alot Of Money Regardless Of Who You Are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,alan Ende...........

He's One Of Us Fine Azer's,,,,,,,,, Enjoy The Weekend ,,,,,,,alan,,


go re-read your post and ask yourself if your execution would be something that would grab the attention of people and achieve the goals you have, or would people just not read the gibberish you posted and not care what you have to say... get with the program homeslice.


As for the cue... if you paid $4000 for this thing then the seller needs to make sure this cue is perfect and as advertised. If the seller believes the shafts can be re-worked and made to to be straight, then offer to send them back to him and have him send you a brand new shaft and allow him to try and sell the shafts separately. If this isn't a possiblity because the joints have unique inlays, etc. and you can't get the seller to pay for in full the cost of a new replacement shaft, then see if you can negotiate with him and split the cost. If you are already thinking about paying for a new shaft out of your own pocket, then cutting that cost in half would be a great option and the seller would be much more responsive to splitting that cost. If he refuses to do anything for you, I really believe you should be angry and you should be informing this community of a bad seller and a bad experience so other people don't get screwed on a big purchase like this.
 
I am curious. From what environmental climate was the cue shipped from and too??

I remember Nubs Wagner telling me about a camatillo cue he built years ago for a gentleman in Asia. The cue was perfectly straight when it was shipped. Shortly there after it warped severely. Nubs refunded the buyer the money and stored the cue away. He told me he pulled the cue out many years later and it was straight as an arrow.
 
Ken...Ken....Ken





Read what Putt-Putt stated. You rolled the dice and got exposed. One thing I've noticed.....the people who are most tired of your way of doing business, all have one thing in common I've noticed.....they all leave thier personal phone # and offer it globally to all. If you had contacted Kam he never would have posted. You rolled and crapped out. SAAAAAAA-----NAKE EYES

My .02 cents


I may have a want for a,... hehe.... "HIGHENDCUE" but unless I am "holding it", (and more importantly.... "rolling it").......your storage cases will remain full.


Karma's a ***** my friend

greg libby
(man or myth)





I'll take $4000.........

"It's a Bill Schick" "Where do you want me to send it?"

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