Would you be happy with a Mosconi team based on Fargo Rate's top 5 American players?

DunnM1 said:
I think we need to stop thinking this Fargo rating system is one all and be all. The players selected to play for the USA should be based on tournaments played in and the finished status they had in those tournaments.

We might even start thinking about boycotting those tournaments and leagues that supplies your information in to the Fargo rating system.
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The only thing boycotting events will do is hurt players, promoters, and venues. There is little to no benefit to a boycott with the state of the game in this country.
 
DunnM1 said:
I think we need to stop thinking this Fargo rating system is one all and be all. The players selected to play for the USA should be based on tournaments played in and the finished status they had in those tournaments.



We might even start thinking about boycotting those tournaments and leagues that supplies your information in to the Fargo rating system.
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Why? Please show us how your way is better. Start with listing the last 50 games by any of the "top ten" In the USA.

Boycotting any tournament is only going to hurt you.


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BasementDweller said:
Right watchez....according to the schedule your next post should be about how Archer doesn't play anymore only to have someone come on here to prove otherwise. Then we do it again in a week or two when the next discussion of the Fargo ratings comes up..
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No my next post is that - I couldn't figure out why when Mike Page posted the games played (1.9 games per day) for Archer in 2015, none included the DCC 9 ball.
But now I realize it is because this event doesn't keep track of match scores - just player wins/losses.

But compared to other players, yes - Archer doesn't play anymore.
Now I hear he has some things tournament wise brewing for his place in Atlanta - maybe that will get him into the box more often.
 
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pro9dg said:
Finally, sense emerges.

The nucleus of the Mosconi Cup team should be already in place. These should be the five players from 2015 and Mark Wilson should now be working with them in a bid to raise their existing level of play. There is a skill gap between the top ten European and their US counterparts. Unless this is addressed on a One on One basis then it is possible that the USA may NEVER win the Mosconi Cup again.

This does not mean a closed shop to other players. The series of events identified by Matchroom will result in a number of other players producing positive performances.

This would lead to them being invited to join the group and being part of the skill improvement initiatives. The final list is still not going to be too big to manage.

Mark would be able to take up offers of help from other respected coaches to cover specialist areas in which a player could benefit from personal attention.
There is not a top player in the USA who cannot still up his game by 10% to 50% and thereby allow his team to compete.

Even veterans like Earl, Rodney, Johnny and Dennis could climb aboard the wagon this way and you can still teach Old Dogs some New Tricks. Maybe Old Dogs can teach the New Dogs too.

As things stand Mark is like a Eunuch who is waiting around until about five weeks before The Cup before he knows who he has to work with. He then is faced with a month in which to weld them into a cohesive force.

Same old same old.
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Good points, and nothing is stopping players from working with Mark Wilson or other coaches well prior to the selection process playing out. And many of them did visit him and Lindenwood last year, as I recall. The barrier to what you're advocating isn't in the Moscnoi selection process or Matchroom, it's that US pool culture is just not focused on coaching or training as a sport, it's focused on gambling and backers.
 
Well..,

sammylane12 said:
I do not understand why so many people are in love with Skylar Woodward`s game. He lost both single matches at the Mosconi Cup. I also noticed at on point he was the only player in the Bigfoot challenge who did not break and run a rack. Most had 4 or more. Not exactly world class. I am looking at his resume and cannot find that he has ever won anything on a 9' table against the best players. Mike D would appear to be a much stronger player.
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He's a young kid with lots of up side and from what I hear very likable, good attitude. Remember we are talking about a small group of USA players that have shown that they have what it takes to play at the elite level and he is one of them.
 
ChicagoJoe said:
Dechaine's definitely a top 5 player but doesn't handle the pressure well. I think Rodney's gotta be there. Wouldn't mind seeing someone like Dominguez or Frost, SVB, Bergman, Rodney, and Archer/Hatch.
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I think your right, but you gotta drop Hatch..., can he still play, beat anybody?
 
Drop The Rock said:
http://www.fargorate.com/Home/TopTen

Sans Daz since he'll play for Europe obviously.

SVB

Mike D.

Justin Bergman

Johnny Archer

Rodney Morris


I would be if I could substitute Mike D. with Skylar based on his performance last year.

Mind you I don't think we should do away with the match room points system at all. I think building on the match room system has the potential to seriously help pool. We have long talked about a "pro tour." Why not base it around the most popular pool event every year. The world cup and pool masters get thrown into the mix and more state tournaments gain attention. I can't go to the Texas 10 ball this year because of my 3 month old but I'll probably go to the 9 ball. Both events count for Mosconi points so it'll fun to watch. Having a "Mosconi tour" makes a lot of sense.
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Personally, I 'd expect Dechaine to tear Skyler to shreds in a ten ball race of any real length.

Of course, we have already seen that Coach Wilson does not put much stock in previous Mosconi performance, as the only guy who played well on the 2014 Team USA, Justin Hall, was not selected for the 2015 team.

FYI, Skyler went 1-2 in singles at the 2015 Mosconi, not exactly something to get excited about.

Archer isn't even one of America's ten best right now.
 
sjm said:
Personally, I 'd expect Dechaine to tear Skyler to shreds in a ten ball race of any real length.

Of course, we have already seen that Coach Wilson does not put much stock in previous Mosconi performance, as the only guy who played well on the 2014 Team USA, Justin Hall, was not selected for the 2015 team.

FYI, Skyler went 1-2 in singles at the 2015 Mosconi, not exactly something to get excited about.

Archer isn't even one of America's ten best right now.
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Well according to the ratings he is, which is kind of subjective. I think Skylars energy helped out a lot and I think he will continue to do so.
 
BRussell said:
Funny that Darren is now listed as USA. Last time I looked, he was listed as UK.

We should kick these illegals out of our country, taking our jobs and our women.
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You got that right! Damn UK guys keep coming over and marrying all our pretty Asian-American women
 
sjm said:
... FYI, Skyler went 1-2 in singles at the 2015 Mosconi, not exactly something to get excited about. ...
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Woodward won with SVB and Bergman and lost with Dechaine. So 2-1 in doubles. But 0-2 in singles.
 
sammylane12 said:
I do not understand why so many people are in love with Skylar Woodward`s game. He lost both single matches at the Mosconi Cup. I also noticed at on point he was the only player in the Bigfoot challenge who did not break and run a rack. Most had 4 or more. Not exactly world class. I am looking at his resume and cannot find that he has ever won anything on a 9' table against the best players. Mike D would appear to be a much stronger player.
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He just broke and ran 15 racks at the Music City Classic. I don't really care the size of the table, that's strong.
 
sjm said:
Personally, I 'd expect Dechaine to tear Skyler to shreds in a ten ball race of any real length.

Of course, we have already seen that Coach Wilson does not put much stock in previous Mosconi performance, as the only guy who played well on the 2014 Team USA, Justin Hall, was not selected for the 2015 team.

FYI, Skyler went 1-2 in singles at the 2015 Mosconi, not exactly something to get excited about.

Archer isn't even one of America's ten best right now.
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lmao, please tell me 10 US players that would jump in the box against Johnny playing 9 ball?
 
Team play

Corwyn_8 said:
There is more to a team than just having the best players on it.

Thank you kindly.
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Yes.

Most players and commenters don't know all that much about what makes a championship team.

The Fargo ratings (or any individual accomplishments) do not take into account such things as sportsmanship and team chemistry.
 
watchez said:
No -- you would continue to have players that don't play cause their FargoRate doesn't diminish enough over time.
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This isn't really an issue, because you would only use the FargoRating for the current year. Also, to ensure you were getting players who were playing in "enough" events, there would be a minimum robustness requirement - either minimum games played or minimum (qualifying) events entered.

I like the idea, but I wouldn't use FargoRate exclusively. Where FargoRate is most helpful, is how it looks beyond the randomness of tournament draws. If someone takes SVB to the hill in the 1st round and loses, their rating will go up, but they might not get any Mosconi Cup points. Likewise, using event results awards players for making deep runs and winning in pressure situations. FargoRate doesn't measure the circumstance (high pressure/low pressure), because it's objective... at least as much as possible. To me, some sort of combination - add your Mosconi Cup Points to your FargoRating, and take the top 5 (or less with captin's picks) would be ideal. Kind of like OPS (on base % plus Slugging) in baseball, it provides a little more information.
 
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I do love how some people seem to dismiss Fargo Ratings as not robust enough, at the same time giving their rating of a player based on a SINGLE anecdotal piece of data. :rolleyes:

Thank you kindly.
 
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How does Europe select their players? They seem to have the right system.

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