WPA Rules For Transgenders

A lot of people are starting to care. More will care when most of the female high school sports scholarships go to them. Johnnyt
 
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Johnnyt said:
A lot of people are starting to care. More will care when most of the high school sports scholarships go to them. Johnnyt
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Come on. Really? I guess I'm in the minority. I just don't give a rats a$$ as long as they don't shower with my daughter niece or grand daughter. If they shower with me I've got a surprise for them. You don't want to know. Trust me.
 
Fenwick said:
Come on. Really? I guess I'm in the minority. I just don't give a rats a$$ as long as they don't shower with my daughter niece or grand daughter. If they shower with me I've got a surprise for them. You don't want to know. Trust me.
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I'd be more concerned with how a stranger got into my home.
 
Rhea said:
In pool, the only women required to be tested are the ones who have been identified as trans. As far as I know this has not been a requirement for anyone else yet.
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Rhea, I hear you. I'm not debating the accuracy of what you've shared & quoted here. Again, I'm not engaging in a judgement of wrong or right for either side. That having been said...

Here's how this is going to play out: someone who is a trans or appears to be a trans will try to register for a WPBA event. They will be challenged, then a lawsuit will ensue charging arbitrary discrimination against them being challenged in the first place.

A parallel lawsuit will be filed challenging the previously quoted WPBA policy. Advocacy groups for the LGBT community will launch a well orchestrated publicity campaign and will threaten to boycott sponsors of the WPBA as well as anyone doing business with them. In all likelihood the legal fees alone will be a threat to the WPBA, which will result in a settlement of some sort. If not, the sponsors will run for cover and pull (or threaten to pull) their dealings with the WPBA. I would imagine that sponsorship dollars are the lifeblood of the WPBA's finances and a threat of them even decreasing will enough to bring a "reconsideration" of the policy.

I've seen this done so many times it's basically the textbook, go-to manuver in the social change playbook.

Truth is this is nothing new. Legal precedence has already been set in such cases. The most famous is likely the 1977 case of Tennis player Renee Richards. She transitioned from male to female and tried, successfully, to enter the world of Professional Women's Tennis. She had to actually prevail in court to make this happen. With today's methods of threatening sponsors, one rarely has to go that far. Funny side note, after retiring from Tennis, Dr. Richards allegedly got bitten by the pool bug. I saw her shopping for a home table back in 1990 at the billiard store where I used to buy my gear from. True story. -Z-
 
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DJSTEVEZ said:
Rhea, I hear you. I'm not debating that what you've told me as true. Again, I'm not engaging in a judgement of wrong or right for either side. That having been said...

Here's how this is going to play out: someone who is a trans or appears to be a trans will try to register for a WPBA event. They will be challenged, then a lawsuit will ensue charging arbitrary discrimination against them being challenged in the first place.

A parallel lawsuit will be filed challenging the previously quoted WPBA policy. Advocacy groups for the LGBT community will launch a well orchestrated publicity campaign and will threaten to boycott sponsors of the WPBA as well as anyone doing business with them. In all likelihood the legal fees alone will be a threat to the WPBA, which will result in a settlement of some sort. If not, the sponsors will run for cover and pull (or threaten to pull) their dealings with the WPBA. I would imagine that sponsorship dollars are the lifeblood of the WPBA's finances and a threat of them even decreasing will enough to bring a "reconsideration" of the policy.

I've seen this done so many times it's basically the textbook, go-to manuver in the social change play book. -Z-
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The policy as is, is fine, and just so you know there are Zero trans women who would or could qualify for the WPBA currently. There are only about 15 American women who could potentially cash in a WPBA masters event. I have witnessed a few trans women players in my travels and none could even make the top 90 on the Fargo list. So this is all hyperbole right now. And trust me there's not enough money in women's pool or pool at all for any current pro player to switch sex if you think that someone would do that for no other purpose.
 
Fenwick said:
Good luck with that. I've got a lot of surprises for them too. Punji pits, claymores and then me. Just kidding..... or not?
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Damn nigga, you hardcore.

Don't booby trap your home. If emergency folk, firefighters, cops, etc have to come in and they get hurt, you're in deep legal doo doo.
 
Rhea said:
The policy as is, is fine, and just so you know there are Zero trans women who would or could qualify for the WPBA currently.

What about you ? Figured you'd be near - world beater by now? Or at least somewhere in the not too distant future?
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Rhea said:
This is false: In order to get the documentation needed by an endocronologist you must not have higher than the AVERAGE female testosterone level, that is the maximum allowed for a transgender athlete, you cannot have the maximum allowed for a female. And your female hormone levels have to stay at the AVERAGE female estrogen level on a minimum.
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When you decide to take steps to modify your gender to suit how you feel about yourself then you should give up on competitive ambitions that are gender divided. And stop expecting society to bend to accommodate you. It's not the end of the world and hopefully your happiness doesn't ride on it. If so you're in for plenty of additional disappointment. Enough is enough already.

JC
 
JC said:
When you decide to take steps to modify your gender to suit how you feel about yourself then you should give up on competitive ambitions that are gender divided. And stop expecting society to bend to accommodate you. It's not the end of the world and hopefully your happiness doesn't ride on it. If so you're in for plenty of additional disappointment. Enough is enough already.

JC
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I agree 100%. Great post. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I agree 100%. Great post. Johnnyt
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Yankees know JT I agree too, however I think one thing should be mentioned that I never here anyone bring up. I am not saying this in a negative or condescending way, only in a real way. I often hear all kinds of people talking about equal this, equal that and on and on and on about this that and the other. I do understand the reasoning, but couldn't having a " women's only " tournament or tour be considered discriminatory towards men? Women are always fighting for everything to be equal same as men right? Well why not just have the tour, the tournaments and whatever just " OPEN "? Would be no worry about to allow or not allow the Trans, or anyone else for that matter. Seems like that would avoid all kinds of trouble down the road - and everything would be equal! I do understand that biologically speaking woman are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to sports that involve strength but I do not believe that even comes into play in regards to the sport of pool.
 
ShakesSea said:
Four pages of vitriol and nobody cares to acknowledge what I pointed out in the third post. This barrier has been broken and pool world was not turned upside down.

Annie Mayes, a.k.a. Annie O., was a respected cuemaker (Efren played with one of her cues and good luck finding someone willing to give theirs up these days) and WPBA player, allowed in the league with the support of the other players. The pool community held a benefit for her when she came down with terminal cancer. Here's a thread mourning her passing and praising her memory in a different time:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=78921

Right now some young person with an interest in billiards, wanting to become a better player is running across the world's most visited billiards webpage and seeing this thread on the front page with its fear-baiting, threats of violence against already marginalized people, and angry dying old men trying to out-dick each other who can't make sense of the world crashing down around them. AZB is a valuable resource and may be the world's best collection of pool knowledge and history. This thread is an embarrassment to AZB.

Derrr, why nobody want to play pool wid us no more? Why no pro pool player post here no more?

This post has been heavily edited to not call out every drooling f*ckbag with perverse fantasies of female impersonators peeping up their daughters' skirts. Shameful, disgusting, damning thread.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^^

I was going to post something similar. The way I worded it would have gotten me banned for sure. Some of what I've read here is beyond deplorable. We'll see how they feel when it is their sons and grandsons who are in this position. Probably tell them to give up on any dream they've ever had and shame them into hiding.
 
ShakesSea thanks for the link, that thread restored some of my faith in humanity, at least until I read the next thread.

Peace to you,
Eric
 
ShakesSea said:
Four pages of vitriol and nobody cares to acknowledge what I pointed out in the third post. This barrier has been broken and pool world was not turned upside down.

Annie Mayes, a.k.a. Annie O., was a respected cuemaker (Efren played with one of her cues and good luck finding someone willing to give theirs up these days) and WPBA player, allowed in the league with the support of the other players. The pool community held a benefit for her when she came down with terminal cancer. Here's a thread mourning her passing and praising her memory in a different time:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=78921

Right now some young person with an interest in billiards, wanting to become a better player is running across the world's most visited billiards webpage and seeing this thread on the front page with its fear-baiting, threats of violence against already marginalized people, and angry dying old men trying to out-dick each other who can't make sense of the world crashing down around them. AZB is a valuable resource and may be the world's best collection of pool knowledge and history. This thread is an embarrassment to AZB.

Derrr, why nobody want to play pool wid us no more? Why no pro pool player post here no more?

This post has been heavily edited to not call out every drooling f*ckbag with perverse fantasies of female impersonators peeping up their daughters' skirts. Shameful, disgusting, damning thread.
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I went back and checked and the only vitriol posted in this thread is by you right here and now. Typical of the people now days hating on the haters, your hate is far and away the greatest and most offensive.

JC
 
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