WTB: opinions on cue value (Meucci SE-10 vs. custom Sigel cue)

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Wow...been lurking on this forum for a while now, waiting for my account to be authorized to post. :cool: Took a while, but it finally was. :thumbup:

Anyway, I gave up playing several years ago, and recently took it back up again. So, I've been looking for a cue, been checking out the cues for sale here, and saw a couple I was interested in, but nothing thus far that has really "grabbed my interest".

My all-time favorite cue is the Meucci SE-10. Unfortunately, it seems that people who are selling them think they are way more valuable than they really are. I've found a couple for sale, and they're going for roughly double what they're worth. :frown: I even found someone with a Muecci "Factory 2nd" SE-10, which proves that Meucci did not "destroy" the SE-10 cues that were "not up to snuff" as most people claim. :rolleyes:

Seems like most people want $1,200 to $1,500 for a Meucci SE-10; heck, I even found a seller who has a "matched set" (one Ivory SE-10-I, one Ebony SE-10-E), and wants $2,500 each, or $5,000 for the set! :yikes: Totally not worth that, IMHO, and I'm not gonna pay that much for a Meucci. :shakehead:

So, after talking with Martyne Bachmen (author of "Blue Book of Cues", who agrees with me on the value of the Meucci SE-10), I've been looking at buying the Sigel MS-89 he has for sale. It's a little heavier than I like, but I believe I can change the weight bolt in it (I'm waiting to hear back from Martyne about that.) I've never heard of Sigel, however, and wanted to know if anyone here had any opinons on it? :scratchhead:

Of course, if anyone here has a Meucci SE-10 (Ebony) they're willing to part with, and aren't asking an outrageous price, I'd consider buying it instead. :p (I know, highly unlikely, but I had to say it.) :embarrassed2:
 
I can't say alot about the Meucci, but the general rule of thumb with Sigel cues is that you will take a bath when you try to resell them. They actually play pretty well (i.e. a solid production cue), but I've never seen one go anywhere close to the "list prices". I had one that was ebony and had a ton of ivory inlays. It listed for around thirty five hundred dollars. When I sold it, I had it on the market for a LONG time and finally took nine hundred (which was considerably higher than any of the other offers I got on the cue).

The other issue I had with the Sigel cue, is that when you have problems, or want an extra shaft made, etc., you have to deal with Mike. I would rather do my own root canals than ever having to talk to him again concerning customer service...

Knowing little, as I mentioned earlier, about the Meucci SE-X, I'd take one of those sight unseen before I'd take a high end Sigel for anything over $500-600.

Good luck!

Steve
 
There are a lot of cues out there that are better than either cue you were referring to. It's sold now, but JForney had a Richard Harris (Bluegrass) cocobolo nose with 6 points birdseye for $1350. I would recommend looking in that direction.
 
If youre willing to spend 1000 bucks or so, there are SO many custom cues that fit. It all just depends on how flashy you want your cue to be (do you want points, veneers, inlays, rings, etc...) And the market for reselling cues is in the dumps right now, so anybody trying to sell overpriced cues will just sit there and have to lower prices anyway, so you can try to see if that happens if you REALLY want that meucci. Otherwise a bluegrass, or a rauenzahn (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=116554) or even a carolina or something like that (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=114196&highlight=carolina) Good luck with your search.
 
LOL, this is like trying to separate OBAMA from McCAIN.

At least the OP has MANY other choices...

WELCOME to AZ
 
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Cue values

The value of a production line cue is pretty subjective especially when you are talking about a Meucci. Meucci has long been a large source of income for cue repair facility's & BTW are now having a portion of their merchandise built "offshore" which will probably only increase the repair work .
About 40-50 % of what you can buy a new one for is a pretty good rule of thumb on a used Meucci and I don't mean catalog price & Hunter hit the nail right on the head about Sigel. For the money you are talking about spending there are a lot of good pool cues to be bought right here on AZB from some really good makers.
I do not mean to offend Meucci owners, to each his own, this is only my opinion developed from many years of repairing pool cues.
 
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just an opinion. i have shot with meucci cues as long as i have been playing. most of mine are in the 18 to 20 year old range. that being said when it came time to buy something new i simply decided to have one made for me to my specs, my design everything i really want, and i am paying right in the neighborhood that you are looking to spend. i will say this also i am not a huge fan of anything meucci put out after the late 1980's. even the stuff from the early 90's (i own a few) are a little suspect. as someone already posted those cues seem to rquire a bit of repair which is costly. the main reason i am buying the new cue is that my main meucci developed a crack in the forearm. and meucci won't do warranty work on a cue you buy used. so before you shell out a grand just take some time and ask around. i did on here and came to the point that i contacted dick neighbors and he quoted me a fair price ,short wait and is making my exact cue. anyway that's my two cents.
 
Precisely the info and opinions I wanted. Thanks! :thumbup:

I've been doing a lot of reading about Meucci as well; however, the SE-10 happens to be my favorite-looking cue. :embarrassed2:

There's a "matched set" of SE-10 cues on eBay (# 018, listed yesterday), but the seller opened the bidding at $2,000, which is far more than I'm willing to pay. :rolleyes: I contacted the seller asking if he'd be willing to split the set up (I really only want the Ebony version), but he hasn't responded yet. :frown: I doubt he will, but it's worth a shot.

Thanks for the info on the Sigel. I tend to like floating points and a bit of intricate work, and the Sigel is nice, but I'm only toying with the idea of buying that one.

I also found a Meucci PP-4 (MEP04, aka Power Piston 4), butt only (no shaft), which is another Meucci I sorta like. Seller wants $300 for it, and I offered $150; he countered with $200. I don't really like white cues, but that one is another nice-looking cue IMO, but it's not the SE-10. :cool:

Ah well, I'll keep looking, and maybe I'll get lucky with the SE-10. :p
 
Thank you to the people who have PM'd me about cues they have for sale, but really, I'm not looking for PMs unless you happen to have a Meucci SE-10-E (Ebony) for sale! (Although I would probably consider the SE-10-I [Ivory] for the right price...)

I like floating points, and a but of intricacy in the points and butt sleeve inlays. I also tend to like darker woods with a nice straight grain, or stained wood with no obvious grain at all. If you look at the Meucci SE-10 or Sigel MS-89, that should give you an idea of what I'm looking for, k? :cool:

I think some people read my post, saw how much I was considering spending, and thought "hey, maybe he'll buy my cue if I PM him!" :rolleyes: I've had a couple PMs with cues that are down-right "plain jane" IMHO and not even close to what I'm looking for.
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Please, if you have a cue for sale, just post it in the Wanted/For Sale forum, I'll check it out and let you know if I'm interested.
 
Meucci

Did you check out the Meucci Rev-2 ?

I would agree with everyone else on the board that, for that kind of money, you could sure get a great looking/hitting custom cue that will retain it's value much more than the Meucci. But then again, sometimes it's the journey not the destination. If it's an SE-10 you want then keep looking. They are definitely out there. It will mean a lot more to you when/if you finally get your holy grail. :)
 
yeah, I checked out the REV-2, but I don't like the white cue (which is why I'm looking for the Ebony SE-10.) :o

I've possibly found a Meucci SE-2, which is one of the pre-serial number cues from Meucci...it's not bad, I might actually get it if the seller ever gets back to me. He's asking a very reasonable price for it, and I might be able to get it for under $200. :)
 
So, after talking with Martyne Bachmen (author of "Blue Book of Cues", who agrees with me on the value of the Meucci SE-10),

I am uncertain about her general knowledge, but she certainly is not the Author of the Blue Book Of Cues!!!!: :yikes: :shocked2: :thud: It is a fact she was allowed to begin the project, however, and for whatever reason the project was taken away from her after Missing deadline, after Deadline, after Deadline. Mr. Simpson and His Mother Carol had to cleanup the mess, and if not for them coming to the rescue, we most likely still would not have a 3rd Edition.

Just thought I would help you out here, and welcome aboard!!!!!!:)
 
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I hate when people PM about selling a cue that was not what your looking for . . . the nerve. :)

I would never had done that about the SE-9 I have available. ;)
 
manwon said:
So, after talking with Martyne Bachmen (author of "Blue Book of Cues", who agrees with me on the value of the Meucci SE-10),

I am uncertain about her general knowledge, but she certainly is not the Author of the Blue Book Of Cues!!!!: :yikes: :shocked2: :thud: It is a fact she was allowed to begin the project, however, and for whatever reason the project was taken away from her after Missing deadline, after Deadline, after Deadline. Mr. Simpson and His Mother Carol had to cleanup the mess, and if not for them coming to the rescue, we most likely still would not have a 3rd Edition.

Just thought I would help you out here, and welcome aboard!!!!!!:)
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Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but that's her (is it a woman? LOL I thought it was a guy!) name in the lower right-hand corner of the 3rd Edition book cover:

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So, her name is on the book, which makes her the author (along with Brad Simpson.)

RRfireblade said:
I hate when people PM about selling a cue that was not what your looking for . . . the nerve. :)

I would never had done that about the SE-9 I have available. ;)
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I received yet *another* PM, this time from someone selling their Viking F-45, and asking $245. :rolleyes:

And thank you, but I'm not interested in the SE-9. ;) I wouldn't be interested in the Meucci SE-2 I found, except it's for sale at a very good price. I might be able to get it for under $200 shipped. :thumbup: That should hold me until I find my SE-10.
 
hfelsh said:
Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but that's her (is it a woman? LOL I thought it was a guy!) name in the lower right-hand corner of the 3rd Edition book cover:

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So, her name is on the book, which makes her the author (along with Brad Simpson.)

I received yet *another* PM, this time from someone selling their Viking F-45, and asking $245. :rolleyes:

And thank you, but I'm not interested in the SE-9. ;) I wouldn't be interested in the Meucci SE-2 I found, except it's for sale at a very good price. I might be able to get it for under $200 shipped. :thumbup: That should hold me until I find my SE-10.
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hfelsh said:
Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but that's her (is it a woman? LOL I thought it was a guy!) name in the lower right-hand corner of the 3rd Edition book cover:

So, her name is on the book, which makes her the author (along with Brad Simpson.)
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hfelsh said:
Ok your wrong, since you want to be corrected. Take out your Camera and take a picture of any Third Edition Blue Book Of Cues that was actually issued. Not a copy you have down loaded off line somewhere, and you will not find her name on the Book. She was fired by Brad Simpson, because she could not handle the job. She is also the reason the Book was delayed for two years or more. Now I am sorry for telling you truth which you may be unaware of, but the truth is the truth even when it hurts some ones pride.

Here are some photo's that prove my point very well.

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Hope I can help you out again sometime, please have a nice night!!!

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hfelsh said:
Wow...been lurking on this forum for a while now, waiting for my account to be authorized to post. :cool: Took a while, but it finally was. :thumbup:

Anyway, I gave up playing several years ago, and recently took it back up again. So, I've been looking for a cue, been checking out the cues for sale here, and saw a couple I was interested in, but nothing thus far that has really "grabbed my interest".

My all-time favorite cue is the Meucci SE-10. Unfortunately, it seems that people who are selling them think they are way more valuable than they really are. I've found a couple for sale, and they're going for roughly double what they're worth. :frown: I even found someone with a Muecci "Factory 2nd" SE-10, which proves that Meucci did not "destroy" the SE-10 cues that were "not up to snuff" as most people claim. :rolleyes:

Seems like most people want $1,200 to $1,500 for a Meucci SE-10; heck, I even found a seller who has a "matched set" (one Ivory SE-10-I, one Ebony SE-10-E), and wants $2,500 each, or $5,000 for the set! :yikes: Totally not worth that, IMHO, and I'm not gonna pay that much for a Meucci. :shakehead:

So, after talking with Martyne Bachmen (author of "Blue Book of Cues", who agrees with me on the value of the Meucci SE-10), I've been looking at buying the Sigel MS-89 he has for sale. It's a little heavier than I like, but I believe I can change the weight bolt in it (I'm waiting to hear back from Martyne about that.) I've never heard of Sigel, however, and wanted to know if anyone here had any opinons on it? :scratchhead:

Of course, if anyone here has a Meucci SE-10 (Ebony) they're willing to part with, and aren't asking an outrageous price, I'd consider buying it instead. :p (I know, highly unlikely, but I had to say it.) :embarrassed2:
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Here is a website you may like, they may have your cue.

http://www.discountpoolcues.com/meuccise-10cues.htm

take care
 
Whew....

And my 2 cents, get the Meucci. I have bought and sold quite a few of Mike's cues, and never get anywhere close to what their listed value was. They do shoot good though, so if you are looking to keep it for the rest of your life (or until they go up due to an unfortunate accident or death of the cue maker), get it. Otherwise, get the SeX cue.

Felix
 
phinmole said:
Whew....

And my 2 cents, get the Meucci. I have bought and sold quite a few of Mike's cues, and never get anywhere close to what their listed value was. They do shoot good though, so if you are looking to keep it for the rest of your life (or until they go up due to an unfortunate accident or death of the cue maker), get it. Otherwise, get the SeX cue.

Felix
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if the resale on mikes cues is so low, why hasn't anyone suggested that he buy one used?
 
poolplayer2093 said:
if the resale on mikes cues is so low, why hasn't anyone suggested that he buy one used?
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Becouse nobody likes the north end of a south bound mule ! ;)
That and just how low will they really go !!
 
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