I think we may have to play shape for the combination! 
WWYD 10 ball
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On the image for Shane's shot, put a straight line through the tops of the cue ball and the 7 ball where you think it is rail high. Project that line to the right long rail. When I do that, the line crosses the rail about 2 inches from the side pocket iron. I don't think that matches your set up.
(This assumes that straight lines on the image are, in fact straight, but I think that's true.)
Like this? This looks like the lines hit where the back of the cushion meets the pocket rubber on the CB, and the tit on the 7 ball.
On my table straight lines are not straight due to the wide angle lens I have. IDK about Shane's table.
No, I mean to draw a single line through the top of the cue ball and the top of the 7. It needs to be at the height of the diamonds on the rail. That tells you where the balls "point" to on the rail which for this shot is very important to get right. Something like this (using the ruler in the Windows snipping tool):
It looks like they are pointed to not quite half a diamond from the pocket.
The rails look straight, the lines of diamonds are straight, the headstring is straight. I think that a straight line in the image is also straight in reality even if it is at an angle to the rails. What can be a problem is that parallel lines in reality are not parallel in the image because of perspective.
Shoot the 7 in the side stun up to the top rail and with just a half tip of right english come back down for the nine in the bottom left corner With this shot I never leave the side of the ball I want to use to make it , I can be a diamond and a half short and still have a good shot , my ideal placement would be 1 diamond from the pocket the 10 is closest to.
After I watched Shane shoot it with the stun off the long rail, I realize the angle must have been steeper than it looked to me , it wasn't natural to go to the head rail first, so he did it off the long rail. Same concept, always on the correct side of the shot.
After I watched Shane shoot it with the stun off the long rail, I realize the angle must have been steeper than it looked to me , it wasn't natural to go to the head rail first, so he did it off the long rail. Same concept, always on the correct side of the shot.
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Why? No reason to and you could really get in trouble with a well hit shot. If I hit a shot good , I want to know I will be rewarded.
Don't make me get out the VP4...
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Following this thread has been very interesting, lots of well informed posts. After trying the shot, and seeing others results, Shane attempted the right shot. He just under hit, by a small amount. Better than over hitting it
Is it possible to do the black line on new conditions? TOI to take the ball deeper into the second corner?Don't make me get out the VP4...
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Shane's foot rail is curved. You can see it clearly on the nickel trim.
I think i would try shot like SVB. I think tangent is close to corner but if you shoot just Max 3 o´clock(or hair bottom english too) and go near corner you get a lot better line and result. Max Inside English bring ball to side rail different than outside or without and it is weird first until understood. Playing 3-cushion lately made me 1000 times better on these kind shots.
There is little risk of scratching but not really if you practiced and understanding shot.
SVB probably was little too scared to scratch and hit above center axis just slightly and then got brakes to cueball. Angle towards rail was too much so cueball lost all sidespin to 2nd rail. And he got kill shot.
There is little risk of scratching but not really if you practiced and understanding shot.
SVB probably was little too scared to scratch and hit above center axis just slightly and then got brakes to cueball. Angle towards rail was too much so cueball lost all sidespin to 2nd rail. And he got kill shot.
Yes, maybe a little. When I look at the foot rail it does not appear to be as curved at the trim. Was that maybe a design feature of that model of GC? The side rails look pretty straight as does the upper part of the table.
No. If it’s a GC5 (which I’m 90% it is), it’s straight like GC1-4. GC6 is curved.
With the necessary added speed the CB caroms too wide into the first rail.
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Yeah seems about right. Thanks. On the stuff I have access to, it'd be the 4 railer or similar all day.
OK but why does the nose of the foot rail look straighter than the trim? At least it looks that way to me.
In any case... If the balls were as in your trials, I don't think the left draw shot will work to land short on the third cushion.
One other thing I noticed about the shot is that the cue ball was spinning in place with right side spin as it came to a stop. That means that more spin on the second cushion wouldn't have gotten a better angle and he had to come closer to the corner pocket to come down closer to the side rail.
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I'm guessing it because the nose is closer to the lens than the metal rail trim? IDK. This really was a bad camera angle to set up the cb and 7 ball.
Incidentally, I watched a few min of a stream from Japan the other day that had GC6's with all 4 rails curved. The camera angle was similar to Shane's match. It looked horrible. The curved rails sort of straighten out on one end, but still looked curved on the other, so it didn't look symmetrical. That curved shape is just not good for TV, imo. Probably costs a lot more to manufacture also.
Here is the GC6, I found the stream:
