Right. That’s why I thought going into the 10 might be a good shot. It’s playing long anyway. (But agree hitting the 10 is likely to leave a safe)
WWYD 10 ball
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I like SVB's choice here, but he hit it poorly. The three-rail follow is not natural here and the danger of getting hooked behind the ten is more than marginal. The three rail draw with outside may not go short enough, and it could backfire. With the SVB method, meaning reverse-english follow, you always end up with a shot, and I suspect that's why he went that way.
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You have couple of shots but there's one shot thats the best and Earl Strickland used to do this shot everytime he got into this situation and it always works.
Draw off the 7ball and go 3 rails playing the 9ball in the bottom left corner. Here's a drawing.
thats the best shot, the other option is 3-4 railers going forward, but this one is bad because sometimes you scratch or sometimes it comes off wide and going across the positional play for the 9ball here's the diagram and its problem.
See how you going across the positional area?? thats bad, plus sometimes you can scratch, so I dont like it. Plus the area where you need to stop is very tiny as shown in the X, first X is bad, second X is good, then if you ran more you're in trouble too....so this option is a NO for me.
I'm not gonna bother then.
Thanks for the diagram. The first shot is not so easy to draw off the ball at that angle, and the second shot can also be precarious (the shot I chose earlier) because the side pocket could get in the way. Now I am beginning to understand why Shane went the way he did. All and all not the simplest shot in terms of getting good position on the nine.
This comparison is clear as day and probably illustrates the motivation for SVB's choice. Only worn conditions would merit choosing the 4 railer.
I really get a kick out of these threads; learning together.
So is the 7 in line with the left side pocket point and the cue ball is center table, (long rail,short rail) O.B. (4 light, 3) and C.B. (4,2)? That’s how I’m seeing it.
Gotta say that I agree with Island Drive. I think that if you cut the ball with a good bit of run, you don’t play a line to the corner. I was getting a line more towards a diamond or a fuzz more up (6 1/2, 4). That gives a more acceptable range of outcomes over the diagram that was posted showing a narrow cone.
I guess I don’t have the stroke for the draw. I feel more comfortable with that shot when there is a little more cut angle. I tried to play it with less draw and more spin, so instead of hitting short rail a diamond above top left corner (0,1), I’d hit just below middle (0,2) and play a line through center table. Only thing is my comfortable stroke brought it right to center table, but to hit that third rail I really had to juice it up. It was a much smoother stroke with Island’s shot.
So is the 7 in line with the left side pocket point and the cue ball is center table, (long rail,short rail) O.B. (4 light, 3) and C.B. (4,2)? That’s how I’m seeing it.
Gotta say that I agree with Island Drive. I think that if you cut the ball with a good bit of run, you don’t play a line to the corner. I was getting a line more towards a diamond or a fuzz more up (6 1/2, 4). That gives a more acceptable range of outcomes over the diagram that was posted showing a narrow cone.
I guess I don’t have the stroke for the draw. I feel more comfortable with that shot when there is a little more cut angle. I tried to play it with less draw and more spin, so instead of hitting short rail a diamond above top left corner (0,1), I’d hit just below middle (0,2) and play a line through center table. Only thing is my comfortable stroke brought it right to center table, but to hit that third rail I really had to juice it up. It was a much smoother stroke with Island’s shot.
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I set this shot up and tried it for a good 20 minutes. It is NOT easy, regardless of the route chosen. I felt the most comfortable with doubling the rail.
As a caveat, this shot I'm sure 1" difference on the 7 or CB will make a noticeable difference. I set it up carefully the best I could figure from the camera on Shane's match.
The 3 rail paths, whether playing long or short, were super hard to get the speed right. The doubling the rail had much more leeway on the speed.
3 min video with all my attempts, minus a couple the camera crapped out. Shots only, no fluff between.
As a caveat, this shot I'm sure 1" difference on the 7 or CB will make a noticeable difference. I set it up carefully the best I could figure from the camera on Shane's match.
The 3 rail paths, whether playing long or short, were super hard to get the speed right. The doubling the rail had much more leeway on the speed.
3 min video with all my attempts, minus a couple the camera crapped out. Shots only, no fluff between.
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To add, at least the way I set up the balls, I could tell instantly the shot was not laying right for an easy time.
Thank you. You just showed us how hard this simple looking shot really is.
Way to be man! Thanks for taking the time to make the wideo. Think my setup is a little bit off.
I'd be Interested to see variations of the three railer if you hit it a little thinner to the right side of the pocket vs hitting a little thicker. Also would like to see the line you get with a draw aboot a diamond back vs two diamonds back from the tangent line.
I'd be Interested to see variations of the three railer if you hit it a little thinner to the right side of the pocket vs hitting a little thicker. Also would like to see the line you get with a draw aboot a diamond back vs two diamonds back from the tangent line.
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Just like in my diagram this video you made illustrates the issue with this shot which is why I said "No" to it...... see how many times you stood on the 1st X there, and how many times you over-ran just by little bit making you hooked behind the 10ball, exactly as I described why the shot is bad.
Today ill make a video myself showcasing my shot #1 - some say the angle is severe to draw it like I shown but ill give it a shot, maybe it is severe but I am certain I can do it. I will also try to play SHANE's shot even though I also disagree with it because of what happened to him during the shot itself, you saw how hard it is to force that cueball back down because the reverse spin will reduce the cueball speed by ALOOT.
With my shot you'll gain speed even if you play it not too strong because of the running English.
I just tried Shane's shot a few times. Hit it bad the first few, then hit it perfect. It got nice position. I'll record a video and upload later.
On one of my attempts I hit the tit on the corner pocket, and the CB actually got in line for the 9/10 combo
It's funny how little differences in the setup and execution can make a huge difference. Watching the video I noticed you almost always cut the 7 into the near side of the pocket. I believe center 1 time.
I shot it 1 time with a touch of high left- cutting the 7 to the farside of the side pocket and rolled around perfect to the middle diamond on the long rail. I expected that to be the case so maybe I cheated ball position a little to accomplish what I wanted?
Anyways thanks for the video.
I shot it 1 time with a touch of high left- cutting the 7 to the farside of the side pocket and rolled around perfect to the middle diamond on the long rail. I expected that to be the case so maybe I cheated ball position a little to accomplish what I wanted?
Anyways thanks for the video.
Another attempt this morning:
1st group: Shane's shot, reverse off end rail but not double long rail.
Next I moved the CB a bit incase Shane's was different, and tried a couple of the shots again.
2nd group (2nd cb position): draw out of the end rail 2 cushions. Still not possible with this CB position.
3rd group (2nd cb position): 3 rails natural. Still super sensitive to speed.
After all this, I think I'd bet against anyone under a FargoRate 700 to get out from here on the first try with either CB position.
) notice where you shot the 7 ball. To the point that your misses were to the near side.
I'm in that zone and I'm feeling overr 60% and below 70% for lfirst try.
Not as easy as it looks.