It's pretty obvious from the diagram that the draw shot works - as most people in this thread have said. And I don't want to upstage your vanity video just because I'm better looking.I'm sure YOU have a, 'smart' phone, take a photo of the exact position in the diagram, record & post a video of YOU playing YOUR shot! Easy peezy!
It's pretty obvious from the diagram that the draw shot works - as most people in this thread have said. And I don't want to upstage your vanity video just because I'm better looking.
pj
chgo
Niiiice..........This shot requires a pretty, 'pure' stroke, the timing and tempo are exacting.
Force following thru the 4 ball with EXTREME 10 or 11 O'clock English with the proper speed as not to create too wide an angle off the 1st cushion to make the CB come straight across for the 11 ball. After getting on the 11, walk the CB over with a little, 'nip draw' for the 5 ball and lastly the 15! Without banking a ball!
The other element that makes this shot tough is that, 'slight' back-cut angle to the 4 ball! The CB already wants to travel to the right on the tangent line!
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Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZJW9VApl0
On our tables and cloth, I don't see that extreme inside/follow power shot shown in your diagram as being possible. The extreme inside will tend to kill the cue ball when it hits the far side rail, and you couldn't get it to come all the way back across the table at that angle, in my opinion.This shot requires a pretty, 'pure' stroke, the timing and tempo are exacting.
Force following thru the 4 ball with EXTREME 10 or 11 O'clock English with the proper speed as not to create too wide an angle off the 1st cushion to make the CB come straight across for the 11 ball. After getting on the 11, walk the CB over with a little, 'nip draw' for the 5 ball and lastly the 15! Without banking a ball!
The other element that makes this shot tough is that, 'slight' back-cut angle to the 4 ball! The CB already wants to travel to the right on the tangent line!
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Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZJW9VApl0
On our tables and cloth, I don't see that extreme inside/follow power shot shown in your diagram as being possible. The extreme inside will tend to kill the cue ball when it hits the far side rail, and you couldn't get it to come all the way back across the table at that angle, in my opinion.
Maybe it's just me that can't pull off that shot! We've had Andy Pro cloth, but we're switching back to Simonis 860HR in a month. I see you executed that shot perfectly on your video - awesome stroke! Obviously on newer cloth, you'd have trouble getting that inside to take that well off the side rail.I'd like to know, what tables and cloth do YOU play on?
Maybe it's just me that can't pull off that shot! We've had Andy Pro cloth, but we're switching back to Simonis 860HR in a month. I see you executed that shot perfectly on your video - awesome stroke! Obviously on newer cloth, you'd have trouble getting that inside to take that well off the side rail.
This shot requires a pretty, 'pure' stroke, the timing and tempo are exacting.
Force following thru the 4 ball with EXTREME 10 or 11 O'clock English with the proper speed as not to create too wide an angle off the 1st cushion to make the CB come straight across for the 11 ball. After getting on the 11, walk the CB over with a little, 'nip draw' for the 5 ball and lastly the 15! Without banking a ball!
The other element that makes this shot tough is that, 'slight' back-cut angle to the 4 ball! The CB already wants to travel to the right on the tangent line!
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Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZJW9VApl0
covering 8 foot of travel with a reverse kill shot for 10 inches of position wouldn't be my choice on any cloth -
plus it will be way to easy to over cook the shot -
soft draw to the short side would be my pick -
keep the defense in the shot if you blow the position -
bill
Wrong pocket.
pj
chgo
Bill, Is it possible to see a video of, YOU, 'overcooking' the position here?
What that word, 'overcooking' means to me, "Making the 4 ball and going 1 cushion and running into anyone of the balls left on the table!"
This shot requires a pretty, 'pure' stroke, the timing and tempo are exacting.
Force following thru the 4 ball with EXTREME 10 or 11 O'clock English with the proper speed as not to create too wide an angle off the 1st cushion to make the CB come straight across for the 11 ball. After getting on the 11, walk the CB over with a little, 'nip draw' for the 5 ball and lastly the 15! Without banking a ball!
The other element that makes this shot tough is that, 'slight' back-cut angle to the 4 ball! The CB already wants to travel to the right on the tangent line!
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Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZJW9VApl0
If you only need 3 balls, why shoot the 15 at the end? Lol.
Neat stroke shot for fun I'm sure.
What you did makes zero sense in an actual match playing another person of any caliber.
You rattle your 4 hitting too hard, and I'm out!
Or, you get outta line not landing perfect on your top ball and now your on the defense.
By overcooking the shot, he most likely means hitting too hard and bouncing off the opponents side rail back toward the middle of the table.
Far from recommended and beyond impractical for serious one pocket play.
I don't think Efren would even go that route.
I play on Gold Crown 3 tables that have 3 7/8 inch pockets and Simonis 760.
I'd go for the easy cheese.
Bill, you made a great shot...:bow-down:I NEVER said this is the ONLY way to play from this position, this is what, "I" did!
I KNOW how to play this shot, perhaps other people don't have the confidence to play it! I do!
Everyone that posted they're options to play from this position is what the thread was about! Once again, it's a WWYD!!!!!
I still have not seen one poster who opted to draw back off the 4 ball post a video of such! With the balls in the EXACT position as in my first diagram! I'm always looking to learn something related to the cue games.
If a player doesn't actually KNOW what there doing, any difficult shot is NOT for them, which is a common practice for many amateur players! Trying to execute a shot that is way above they're actual playing abilities!