* Your Pro Pool Clinic with Tom Kennedy, Matt Sherman *

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While a one day catch all clinic is a great overview, I absolutely hate them from a learning perspective. Not knocking this one in particular, but all one day marathon sessions that cover a lot. Golf clinics are absolutely trash. Ye u save $ compared to getting those lessons individually, by my contention has always been that if you spend 3-4x the money for individual lessons spread out over time with practice/application in between, you will get 10-20x more out of the same content just because of the timing and chunking of it.

But I don't doubt they can cover everything on the itinerary and a bit more in a clinic day. I just don't think it'll be as useful to students as they might think. Goes back to Harvey Pennick's (legendary golf coach) writings on giving lessons. He thought he'd created the greatest lesson of all time that connected all the dots. He delivered it and realized it might have been the absolute worst lesson he'd ever given. Too much at once.
goes along with the theory
20 minutes a day of focused practice a week
is better that one day of 140 minutes
 

sparkle84

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No, I've given similar clinics before in less time.
Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of pool and half a brain will look at what you say you'll do and roll their eyes. In case people wish to review the itinerary it's post #10 in this thread.
Wobbly may be correct in that you can possibly cover all that in less than 5 1/2 hrs. but that's not what you're claiming. Your contention is that you can teach it in enough detail that multiple people will understand it. To do that you'll have to field and then answer questions. Then give everyone table time to practice which will lead to more questions and corrections.
That process has to be repeated for (quick count) somewhere around 35 different things. That's in only 4 1/2 hrs. About 7.5 minutes each. Good luck with that.

Here's a real speedy efficient section: Only 30 min. for all this stuff.

2:30 PM - 3PM- Pro Shortcuts
•Control draw with pinpoint precision (perfectly straight back, perfect distance control) Luv this one.
•The “Inside Smash” for extra-long draw shots
•Super-powered topspin (cue ball follows the object ball nine feet into the far corner pocket)
•More english with closer-to-center, easier strokes
•“Back-to-center” english
•Gripping the table for rail and trouble shots
•Ultra-thin cut help, “Full Body Aim”, “Lag Listening”

That's before the Grand Finale.

* Break shot magic (which I assume you meant trick shot magic)
* The “Ultimate Pro Technique” (makes a “C player” a “B”, makes a “B” an “A”, almost instantly!) This one's my favorite. You told Lou an 8 hr. intensive to achieve that but here you change it to almost instantly. Well which is it? Let me answer my own question... It's neither.
* Hands-on time with all your pool issues and questions. This alone could take hrs.

I assume the cost is 2-3 hundred dollars. For that I hope lunch is very good and Tommys ball juggling is amazing (I've seen it in person and it's incredibly good).
Sadly, other than that it's unlikely anyone will improve much, JMO.
 

FranCrimi

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Again, I will be happy to give you player references for you to speak with. I live in Gainesville, Florida, and have both coached the former UF ACUI team on the University of Florida campus, at the University of Florida's Game Room, I have also taught paid billiards courses there for beginner and for intermediate players--and as you suggested I have also led/coached/refereed/played in Gainesville city leagues also.

I was prompted to post here because I am teaching a Clinic with Tom Kennedy, six-time Florida champion and former U.S. Open Champion, and Tony Robles just recommended to his students in Florida that they attend with TK and me in July.

I clicked on the link you posted, and it is a publisher's biography. I have appeared on television mostly for my James Bond/entertainment events.

You or others reading this thread are welcomed to a free lesson with me, and to report your findings on that lesson here.
I spoke with Tony Robles on the phone a couple of weeks ago. He said he doesn't recall knowing you at all. If he recommended the clinic, then he was speaking about Tommy.
 

BilliardsAbout

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I spoke with Tony Robles on the phone a couple of weeks ago. He said he doesn't recall knowing you at all. If he recommended the clinic, then he was speaking about Tommy.
Tony Robles was paid to film instructional videos as a demonstrator for one of my pool websites.

You should find Tom Kennedy's endorsement of me sufficient, and stop throwing shade.
 
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Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of pool and half a brain will look at what you say you'll do and roll their eyes. In case people wish to review the itinerary it's post #10 in this thread.
Wobbly may be correct in that you can possibly cover all that in less than 5 1/2 hrs. but that's not what you're claiming. Your contention is that you can teach it in enough detail that multiple people will understand it. To do that you'll have to field and then answer questions. Then give everyone table time to practice which will lead to more questions and corrections.
That process has to be repeated for (quick count) somewhere around 35 different things. That's in only 4 1/2 hrs. About 7.5 minutes each. Good luck with that.

Here's a real speedy efficient section: Only 30 min. for all this stuff.

2:30 PM - 3PM- Pro Shortcuts
•Control draw with pinpoint precision (perfectly straight back, perfect distance control) Luv this one.
•The “Inside Smash” for extra-long draw shots
•Super-powered topspin (cue ball follows the object ball nine feet into the far corner pocket)
•More english with closer-to-center, easier strokes
•“Back-to-center” english
•Gripping the table for rail and trouble shots
•Ultra-thin cut help, “Full Body Aim”, “Lag Listening”

That's before the Grand Finale.

* Break shot magic (which I assume you meant trick shot magic)
* The “Ultimate Pro Technique” (makes a “C player” a “B”, makes a “B” an “A”, almost instantly!) This one's my favorite. You told Lou an 8 hr. intensive to achieve that but here you change it to almost instantly. Well which is it? Let me answer my own question... It's neither.
* Hands-on time with all your pool issues and questions. This alone could take hrs.

I assume the cost is 2-3 hundred dollars. For that I hope lunch is very good and Tommys ball juggling is amazing (I've seen it in person and it's incredibly good).
Sadly, other than that it's unlikely anyone will improve much, JMO.
I'm used to you insulting me, but now you are saying Tom Kennedy cannot teach either.

And apparently, your latest insult to both of us is we're TRYING TO TEACH TOO MUCH in our clinics.

We'd only need to slow our pace for YOU.

You need to shut up now and stop insulting a highly skilled pro, who is also one of the nicest people in our sport.
 

BilliardsAbout

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While a one day catch all clinic is a great overview, I absolutely hate them from a learning perspective. Not knocking this one in particular, but all one day marathon sessions that cover a lot. Golf clinics are absolutely trash. Ye u save $ compared to getting those lessons individually, by my contention has always been that if you spend 3-4x the money for individual lessons spread out over time with practice/application in between, you will get 10-20x more out of the same content just because of the timing and chunking of it.

But I don't doubt they can cover everything on the itinerary and a bit more in a clinic day. I just don't think it'll be as useful to students as they might think. Goes back to Harvey Pennick's (legendary golf coach) writings on giving lessons. He thought he'd created the greatest lesson of all time that connected all the dots. He delivered it and realized it might have been the absolute worst lesson he'd ever given. Too much at once.
Or--and I consider us friends--you can simply ask me if I've taught similar clinics before and whether they were beneficial to students.
 

WobblyStroke

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Or--and I consider us friends--you can simply ask me if I've taught similar clinics before and were they beneficial to students.
It wasn't a knock on you or your clinic Matt. Sometimes one day clinics are the only way to get a bunch of time with good coaches in some areas and they are the best bang for your buck (or so people think). My phrasing wasn't super clear when I said they won't get as much out of it as they might think (I was talking about the students). It was more a comment on the difficulty in learning things when a lot is presented in a short period of time rather than anything else.

With what we've discussed on technique and learning, I'm sure you will have wonderful content in your clinic and the bit I shared with you I've seen work very well very quickly as it is more of a concept adjustment than any big change. It will surely help students at the clinic and I wouldn't be surprised if it is at least a component of the finale that you state is worth the price of the clinic alone (cuz it is). My main gripe is with the amount of info in such a short time and the structure of one day clinics in general. I just think they are far from ideal for learning. Obv, in an ideal world, all the ppl at the clinic would get a short series of lessons spread out over a few months to fully digest/integrate the info presented. In this format, I'm sure they will get some benefit. I'm equally sure it won't be anywhere near as much as if they interacted with the content in a slower, more in depth process.
 

sparkle84

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Tony Robles was paid to film instructional videos as a demonstrator for one of my pool websites.

You should find Tom Kennedy's endorsement of me sufficient, and stop throwing shade.
I'm sorry but nowhere on this site have I seen an endorsement by TK.
As a matter of fact I took a look at his FB page and while he promotes his events and appearances over and over, nowhere did I see anything about your clinic
 

sparkle84

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I'm used to you insulting me, but now you are saying Tom Kennedy cannot teach either.

And apparently, your latest insult to both of us is we're TRYING TO TEACH TOO MUCH in our clinics.

We'd only need to slow our pace for YOU.

You need to shut up now and stop insulting a highly skilled pro, who is also one of the nicest people in our sport.
The only time I mentioned TK was in reference to his ball juggling which I praised. I'm not insulting anyone. You continuously go off on tangents to avoid the real issue.
 

FranCrimi

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Tony Robles was paid to film instructional videos as a demonstrator for one of my pool websites.

You should find Tom Kennedy's endorsement of me sufficient, and stop throwing shade.
In another thread you named Tony as one of the instructors you've worked with. Is that what you meant by working with him?

Tony was paid ---- so you didn't pay him? Someone else did? What website? Is it public?
 

BasementDweller

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In another thread you named Tony as one of the instructors you've worked with. Is that what you meant by working with him?

Tony was paid ---- so you didn't pay him? Someone else did? What website? Is it public?
If he answers these questions directly, it will be the first time he's done so.
 

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My wife and I were at the Rays vs Yankees game at Tropicana Field. We were in left field near my company’s logo. Totally coincidental. Aaron Judge was up, and I told my wife that he was going to hit one right into our seats. Instead, he knocked one over our heads by 15 or so rows behind us.

My wife was excited that I called it. At that moment, Judge and I had a mental bond, and the replays clearly showed me on TV.

Freddie <~~~ hope this helps, but I can’t see how

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You were rooting for the Ray’s, right?
 

FranCrimi

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goes along with the theory
20 minutes a day of focused practice a week
is better that one day of 140 minutes
20 minutes at a time, several times a day. Not 20 minutes a day.

Forgetting clinics for a minute --- But for actual practice --- nothing beats a marathon practice session. Lots of really interesting things happen to a player as the hours of continuous play tick by. You should try it sometime.
 

lfigueroa

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20 minutes at a time, several times a day. Not 20 minutes a day.

Forgetting clinics for a minute --- But for actual practice --- nothing beats a marathon practice session. Lots of really interesting things happen to a player as the hours of continuous play tick by. You should try it sometime.

This is true.

Personally I have found some of the best insights about my game emerge around the three four hour practice mark — it’s kind of a Zen thing.

Lou Figueroa
 

FranCrimi

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This is true.

Personally I have found some of the best insights about my game emerge around the three four hour practice mark — it’s kind of a Zen thing.

Lou Figueroa
Same here. A mind-body thing starts to happen. I think our muscles and tendons and ligaments fully adapt to the motions of playing and it becomes easier. Then there comes a point where you stop trying to control things so much with your conscious mind --- and you realize how much tighter you were at the start but didn't know it --- and somewhere along the line you start to become mentally clearer.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the body starts pumping endorphins at a certain point as well.
 

BilliardsAbout

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In another thread you named Tony as one of the instructors you've worked with. Is that what you meant by working with him?

Tony was paid ---- so you didn't pay him? Someone else did? What website? Is it public?
I'm no one special, he may have forgotten me, but I was the Guide to Pool, Billiards and Snooker for About.com. It then was a NY Times subsidiary company and sometimes paid pro demonstrators for their sports websites, to draw more readers. (They had a mix of sports fans, sports writers and instructors running their sport websites, but no playing professionals--this was intentional as fan sites draw fans on social media.)

I was provided a short list of pros and chose Tony Robles, who insisted on thoroughly reviewing my site before taking the gig--that was conditional to his acceptance of the paid contract.

So! Either say your friend Tony was a shill who took the cash, or admit your friend Tony said my website had quality instruction, that he read, studied and approved.

I'll add this, you seem to have read ONE of my many, many articles, since you keep whining about two words in it, but Tony read many of my articles, because he has more integrity than you.
 
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