Pretty classy. Love to see it. Wish there were more moments like this in our game. Some would say doing the right thing shouldn't be celebrated but I disagree.

GideonF said:

As to their rules, I couldn’t exactly find them but did find rules for the Ultimate Pool League 10b. It seems to have its own rules but it looks like they tried to use the WPA rules (and someone missed some words).

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If those are the rules they actually used, then I maintain my view that you don’t have to call the shot Justin made even if it’s prudent to do so - curious of you agree (or at least agree if it’s WPA rules).

Yes, it was Easton and a Vietnamese semi-pro player. The CSI call everything rules are crystal clear and he was technically right. I also wondered at the time whether a more rules based culture for pool might have influenced his decision to call the incident.

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The key phrases if there is any chance of confusion. In this case there would be no chance of confusion by anyone.

GideonF said:

... If those are the rules they actually used, then I maintain my view that you don’t have to call the shot Justin made even if it’s prudent to do so - curious of you agree (or at least agree if it’s WPA rules). ...

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Anyone who did not know exactly which ball Justin was intending to pocket should not be an official.

iusedtoberich said:

Are they adding/changing from 8 ball to 10 ball? Or was it just a one-off thing?

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Pretty sure it is an additional thing- 8b is the main thing. And I think it’s the new Brunswick BB - I remember Archer saying on a live stream some time ago he was getting them for his then new pool room.

Bob Jewett said:

Does UP use CSI rules for 10 ball? Or did they make up their own?
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As for the CSI "call everything" rule, a player got lots of innerwebz crap dumped on him for calling a "non-call" on a female player (Easton??) a year or two ago in a CSI ten ball event. It was a combination on a ball sitting in the pocket. Only slightly more obvious than Bergman's nine ball. The girl's parents were not kind.

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As to their rules, I couldn’t exactly find them but did find rules for the Ultimate Pool League 10b. It seems to have its own rules but it looks like they tried to use the WPA rules (and someone missed some words).



If those are the rules they actually used, then I maintain my view that you don’t have to call the shot Justin made even if it’s prudent to do so - curious of you agree (or at least agree if it’s WPA rules).

Yes, it was Easton and a Vietnamese semi-pro player. The CSI call everything rules are crystal clear and he was technically right. I also wondered at the time whether a more rules based culture for pool might have influenced his decision to call the incident.

Island Drive said:

$29.30 per ball solids, and $31.80 ea for stripes.
Too expensive....

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You are kidding, of course. The $31.80 is for 1-5 boxes (each) and the $29.30 is the price per box for substantial quantities.

That's the brand new barbox (not released yet) designed similar to the GC7, correct? The pocket fit into the casting looks like the GC7.

Are they adding/changing from 8 ball to 10 ball? Or was it just a one-off thing?

middleofnowhere said:

Tyler should have just taken the shot. The real class would have been for Bergman to not have accepted the charity.

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He could at least have put the cue ball back where it was before Styer poked it for the foul.

Does UP use CSI rules for 10 ball? Or did they make up their own?

GideonF said:

... Either way, class move by Tyler.

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A different way to look at it is that Tyler was saying to the ref, "Your rules are stupid and broken, and I'm not going to play by such tomfoolery." That might be considered unsporting conduct. The players have agreed -- explicitly or implicitly -- to play by the rules of the event.

As for the CSI "call everything" rule, a player got lots of innerwebz crap dumped on him for calling a "non-call" on a female player (Easton??) a year or two ago in a CSI ten ball event. It was a combination on a ball sitting in the pocket. Only slightly more obvious than Bergman's nine ball. The girl's parents were not kind.

jbart65 said:

If someone asked me, is Joshua Filler a tidy player, I would say yes. But I never think about him that way. For some time now, I have referred to Neuhausen as a neat and tidy player. Perhaps the most neat and tidy on the circuit. Quite a distinct game he has.

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Well said. Perhaps the tidiest player I have ever watched was prime Ralf Souquet. Ralf was methodical, rarely lost an offensive pattern or missed a defensive angle, and he kept his errors to a minimum. Ralf, who almost never beat himself, had the breaker break of the two, but the play of Moritz at the European Open started to remind me of him.

Perhaps this will be the year when Moritz joins the ranks of the super-elite, the ones who win against the toughest fields of the year and, especially, the ones who win world championships by beating the superstars of the game in the biggest spots. We'll see. So far this year, his play was nothing special at Turning Stone, it was substandard at the PLP and he didn't play well at the World Teams Championship. Perhaps the European Open will be his launching point.

We'll see what's next for Moritz. Perhaps he is capable of walking in the giant steps of German legends Ortmann, Souquet, Hohmann and Filler. Wishing him the best.

vintagecollectibles831 said:

Thanks for your reply. Off topic, but I do not believe that the earliest Adam cues were marked. Early 70's era Adam cues. They only came with an Adam Sticker, where the Adam logo would be, from what I have seen. The A/H 2 Americana for example did not have an engraved logo, I do not think.

So, does this cue look like garbage, or what? I would not be able to tell the difference, lol.

I am so broke, that I would hate to have to waste $150 on a cue, if it is worthless, lol.

I just want a good quality player. Love old cues though.

Thanks.

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Yeah just offering verbage. I'm pretty sure my Rubber Duck had a logo. Don't have it anymore. That spumoni cue sure looks bad. I have a repulsion to any cue with pearlescent accents.

maha said:

okay i didnt know they recognized high runs.
but generally sanctioned events for records set a standard to play by.
all these high runs set their own standards to adhere to. and are reviewed as videoed which is good, and proves it happened.
but if they are going to recognize them shouldn't they set the playing standards strictly so all competitors have to play in the same conditions.
and why dont they if they are going to be the body that does it.

would the world record hundred yard dash be recognized if someone ran it downhill.

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The BCA published regulations for exhibition high runs after they got surprised by John's 626. I've posted them here before.

I took these tonight. They are of a brand new 7' Pro-Am that was installed 5 days ago. All pictures are of the exact same pocket, with the only difference being where I held the camera. The camera was an iPhone with the zoom set to 1x.

Besides a second set of pictures proving that its completely impossible to determine miter angles from a picture, they also show that the leather pockets on DCP's table look just like every other Diamond. No issues.

What do you want RKC for? He was blaming the Diamond factory employees in the last thread for using the wrong glue, when anyone paying attention would have known DCP simply misspoke.

tableroll said:

I will be there too. My first open. Got a room at the venue but waiting for the tickets to go on sale.

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Make sure to introduce yourself.

straightline said:

Yeah has the post modern circleage - representing the stars maybe. The bumper is also Adam ish. Original Adam would be marked I think. Maybe a sneaky of the day.

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Thanks for your reply. Off topic, but I do not believe that the earliest Adam cues were marked. Early 70's era Adam cues. They only came with an Adam Sticker, where the Adam logo would be, from what I have seen. The A/H 2 Americana for example did not have an engraved logo, I do not think.

So, does this cue look like garbage, or what? I would not be able to tell the difference, lol.

I am so broke, that I would hate to have to waste $150 on a cue, if it is worthless, lol.

I just want a good quality player. Love old cues though.

Thanks.

BuffaloSlim said:

I believe you might be talking about Keeno boards or Amos and Andy Check billiards boards

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look at the picture
no boards

I believe you might be talking about Keeno boards or Amos and Andy Check billiards boards

skor said:

I remember my grandmother telling me years ago that they had a billiard table in a restaurant they've owned back in the early to mid 1900's with holes in the playing bed, I always thought that she was remembering incorrectly or maybe just not explaining it correctly, she told that she would play and beat the British soldiers that were posted here art the time as part of the British mandate so I assumed that it was Snooker.

I just stumbled on this image and the tables do have holes in the playing bed.
Does anyone know this game? it's name? the rules?

Image by Brassaï -The description in some places is "Prostitute Playing Snooker, Boulevard Rochechouart, Paris c. 1932", while in other places it says Russian Billiards The balls in the photo suggest Rusian billiards over Snooker for sure.
I know that both games are played on a different type of tables. Or maybe it started like that and evolved to the tables we have today.

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gerard soriano said:

I only have 1 cue so its my everything

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And so it should be……I was that way for years with my 1st cue that was a Palmer. I played it it for 15 years and then I met Bob Runde at his first trade show. We chatted and agreed upon a design and that’s how I got my 2nd cue years later. Then 20 years later I had the urge to design some cues and got a little carried away. You really only need one cue. I don’t need a $1400 break stick to get object balls to drop. A house cue accomplishes that & also avoids flattening my playing cue’s tip that otherwise is shaped the way I want. However, to be fair, 15 years ago I bought a McDermott break/jump stick & recently put on a Kamui Sai break tip that breaks better than a house cue.

maha said:

would the world record hundred yard dash be recognized if someone ran it downhill.

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Feet only, only.

middleofnowhere said:

Tyler should have just taken the shot. The real class would have been for Bergman to not have accepted the charity.

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Rake the balls like Earl.

For my Pechauer cues, I have the P+ Lite, regular Kielwood, Torch+, all 11.75. I also have Z3 shafts with multiple threads for my non-Pechauer cues. Leaving Kielwood out of it, I found the P+ Lite shafts very comparable to the Z3 in taper and performance, and preferred the Pechauer ferrule for staying cleaner. I did switch the tips to Kamui black medium on both and found they played equally well.

If you prefer the 314, the P+ Pro might be a good option.

One other thing to be aware of is the joint diameter. I believe the Pechauers are 0.850” inches while the Predators are approximately 0.840”.

Ryan