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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

Island Drive
dr_dave said:
Let me revise my statement. If I were FSR, I would have made sure I was able to see the shot because it was obvious it was going to be a close call. And when I saw how the CB reacted, indicating an obvious foul, I would have challenged the non-call.



That is unfortunate, and I know it is asking a lot for the ref to be assertive in a situation like this, but that is their job (to make sure the right call is made, despite other circumstances).
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If I'm an opponent in this situation, I will always stop play and call for a ref.
At the ISPA annual event in Davenport IA last week, I was called over at least a dozen times by league players to watch close hits of this type.
Only saw one bad hit over five days, and quite a few changed their shot to make sure it wasn't a foul.
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Question about stretch index on fast speed cloth?

bradsh98
jlrowe said:
Ok, I have installed Simonis, CPBA and few cheap cloths on my own tables.I have never installed anything faster than 860. I know that on a 9ft table with Simonis the stretch is around 1.8. I just installed Gorina Tournament 2000 and what I came up with as the stretch index of 2.7. basically 3.5" stretch. Does this sound right? Does fast cloth have that much more stretch? What is it for 760 cloth?
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Gorina T2000 and Basalt stretch a bit more than Simonis 860. Championship Tour Edition stretches MUCH more than Simonis 860, and is quite a bit faster. ProForm505 and Andy Premier are quite considerably faster than Simonis 860, though they stretch less.

Simonis 760 stretches about the same as 860. Though, you will find that each color stretches a bit differently.

The point being: the stretch does not necessarily correlate to the speed.
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Super Billiards Expo 2026

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jasonlaus said:
No, success is not relative, name 1 person who can travel to tournaments, pay entry and expenses and live on 18,000.

You are all delusional
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I do wonder about the murky finances of top players. How much money do they get from sponsors a year? Do sponsors ever pony up to get them to go to some big events, etc.

On the face of it, your argument makes sense. Few pros can afford to travel and pay entry. And yet ... dozens of top pros regularly go to big events all over the world. How do they afford it?

If I were a player, I don't think I would be spending thousands a year out of my own pocket to attend these tourneys with no guarantee of getting a good return. So how do these players make it work?

These questions are separate from whether pros can make a living at pool. They can.

Lots of top players give paid lessons, for instance, or do sponsored events. Many own pool halls themselves. Skyler Woodward and Billy Thorpe bought an apparel company that hawks pool-related clothing.

Whatever the case, Darren Appleton consistently argues the tourney payouts are too top heavy. More money should go to players who finish in the top 32. If enough top pros stop attending big events regularly, tour promoters may have no choice but to spread the limited wealth a bit more.
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Creating Pool Room Unknowns

nataddrho
Unless you remove the garage door and build a wall in it's place, there is no good solution for heating a garage that is cost effective. But then you can't use the door to back in your car and unload groceries. Plus you can buy a faux-leather cover for the table and place 3/4" sanded plywood over the table and use the space for parties/events (which is what I do).

I have a dehumidifier that keeps the humidity around 50%, and it re-stabilizes after a door-opening in about 30 minutes. The garage and the table aren't heated, but since the garage is insulated it doesn't drop below 32F in the middle of the winter. I just wear a hat and a sweatshirt during those months, and live with the change in table conditions. I can't justify losing the garage door and paying $40 to $100 to heat the table and/or the garage.

If you do remove the door, and both your slab and walls and ceiling are insulated, I'd suggest a split unit running off of propane. Just know that garages are notoriously difficult to heat in usual circumstances, and that's why I don't even bother.

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For the slope, we just added blocks to one end of the table.
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Eugene Ivantsov Custom Cue

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Eugene Ivantsov from 2025. Excellent condition. Asking $1550 paypal F&F or add 4% CONUS sale only!
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Butt: 29" 15.0oz Radial pin
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Extension: 8" 4.4oz
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Super Billiards Expo 2026

skip100
Bob Jewett said:
Woodward won $95k in tournaments last year. Thorpe was about $70k. With sponsors and side gigs, that can work. There are three other Americans over $50k for 2025.
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People ignoring sponsorship, lessons, and other side gig revenue streams are being willfully obtuse about the financials of pro pool, but that’s par for the course for many posters here.
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Anti-elbow drop machine

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GoldCrown said:
The only parallel I see is I play in a Dive sometimes. I get the message.
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No message except elbow drop or not compared to any one of those dives. Learn a good method and stick to it. It shouldn't ever be a struggle.

Incidentally dive bars are the only places with tables here. The last place with 9 footers closed 4, 5 years ago. I'm probably better off than spending all my free time at pool. :ROFLMAO:
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
sjm said:
Yes, but they are not learning from their mistakes., so I'm a lot more concerned about it than you.

By every reckoning, the Capito foul that (possibly) cost Lechner a spot in the 2025 Hanoi Open semifinals should have given rise to remedial action by WPA to train referees. The most incredible thing about the Capito call at the Hanoi Open, among the worst calls I've seen in my fifty years around pro pool, is that AFTER a video review by the head referee, the incredibly embarrassing call was upheld by the head referee. The message was clear. Referees lack some of the knowledge to do their job as well as they might.

Similarly, when WAXGATE happened at the 2025 WPC, it was obvious to numerous players that some were doctoring the cue ball, not only observing it, but because the cue ball was, far too often, "behaving" in a manner deemed near impossible and irreconcilable with all their experience. I firmly believe that the referees noticed it, too but, if so, they opted not to enforce a rule that WPA noted, in a press release that same week, fell under "unsportsmanslike conduct" rules long on the books. If the refs did not notice it, there is, once again, a problem with referees not showing up to matches with the right knowledge.

I'm fine with referees making some errors in observation or judgment from time to time, for they are only human. They will fail to notice or even misjudge the occasional shirt foul, double hit. or ever-so-slight movement of an object ball, and that's unfortunate but to be expected.

I'm not fine with referees showing up to work without the knowledge needed to do their jobs effectively and, in my opinion, for the third time in the past year, referee ineffectiveness reared its ugly head in major championship play.
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Well stated. I agree 100% with your points. For those interested, the other "situations" you mention are covered in detail here:


And here's another recent bad call you should have mentioned:
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
mareh said:
Yapp knew it was a foul. So for me, he is just a piece of shit.
Not a way to win WC.
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I think he suspected it could have been a foul, but I don't think he was sure it was a foul. If he was sure, I suspect he would have called a foul or asked for a review. Regardless, all of this is the job of the ref, not the player.
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