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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

Oikawa
Jaden said:
No, it doesn't matter except that it DOES matter. Yes, it only matters what happens at the point of contact; however, everything done before and after contact is what determines the consistency of what happens at contact.

It will be different things for different people that gives them the best consistency of stroke, but there are certain things that are almost always necessary.

Acceleration at point of contact is one of them. If you're decelerating at point of contact, the balls just aren't going to react predictably.

If you're bridging at the cue's pivot point, you can get away with all sorts of crap, some of which was actually taught as what to do in the past. One of those things is swiping. swiping left or right while stroking for side spin. It's DEFINITELY not what you want to do to have the most consistent shooting, but it can work.

If you want to get into the weeds of it, just let me know. I can talk about this stuff for hours.
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I tried to be clear about emphasizing that I am not talking about consistency, but the absolute limit of what is even possible, I don't disagree with you one bit about the consistency part.

Put in another way, I am not trying to ask about whether good timing helps in consistency (it does), I am asking on a more theoretical level if certain shots are literally impossible with bad timing, because this is what many people have claimed to me in real life and I've disagreed with them.
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Safe travels to those attending the Derby City Classic this year

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FordSVTCobra said:
Those arriving after Friday may be impacted. The weather situation is continuing to take shape, but the current forecast for that part of Indiana shows heavy snow for Sat and Sun with the two day total between 14"-18". Ice being the biggest threat for power loss and highway closures.



The National Weather Service warned of “great swaths of heavy snow, sleet, and treacherous freezing rain” starting Friday in much of the nation’s midsection and then shifting toward the East Coast through Sunday.

Temperatures will be slow to warm in many areas, meaning ice that forms on roads and sidewalks might stick around, forecasters say.

The exact timing of the approaching storm — and where it is headed — remained uncertain on Tuesday. Forecasters say it can be challenging to predict precisely which areas could see rain and which ones could be punished with ice.
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No weather for a cobra!!!
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Any McDermott Cue Players?

Jaden
Matt_24 said:
Somehow, after some trading, I ended up with this McDermott Cue of the Year cue. I think it’s a few years old at least but was only test hit (supposedly).

The workmanship is amazing. I don’t know if I like the design or not. There is a LOT going on.

I haven’t really hit with the i shaft but the taper feels good. Balance of the cue feels good. For fun, I’m going to make it my main player for a time and give it a real chance.

I’ve never had a cue this fancy as my full time player. It’s kind of ludicrous..but, what the heck, I’ll give it a go.

If you’re a McDermott player share your cue, and which shaft and pin you like. This has a quick release pin, and the i shaft.
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I had a 2009 mcdermott cue of the year, and honestly, I wish I had never traded it. It played awesome and looked even better.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

Jaden
Oikawa said:
My understanding is that for the CB's reaction after hitting it with the cue, all that matters is what the cue is doing at the moment of contact, within a few milliseconds(?) of the impact. Breaking down the components of the possible factors at impact (normalizing for the environment and the cue itself, I'm not talking about whether a shitty tip vs. good tip can execute certain shots), these would be point on CB (spin), power and angle of impact in 3D space. Simple enough, and makes sense.

However, the amount of times I've heard (mostly from local folks, but also at various online discussions) that certain shots can only be executed with a "smooth stroke", "good timing" or a "good follow-through", such that those shots are literally impossible without it, makes me wonder if there's any truth behind it, or if its just a false belief that has evolved over time from the fact that good timing is very useful in many other aspects, and that great players who make great shots often also have great timing.

Does anyone here know any science behind this, does the timing/smoothness/delivery etc. whatever you want to call it really affect the range of possible shots that can be executed? What I am absolutely not disputing is that timing aids in consistency, that is true. An extreme spin shot is definitely more likely to be made with a smooth delivery, but can all the shots be executed even one time with a bad one? That is the question I'm wondering.

My own experience definitely supports that this is a myth, what do you all think?
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No, it doesn't matter except that it DOES matter. Yes, it only matters what happens at the point of contact; however, everything done before and after contact is what determines the consistency of what happens at contact.

It will be different things for different people that gives them the best consistency of stroke, but there are certain things that are almost always necessary.

Acceleration at point of contact is one of them. If you're decelerating at point of contact, the balls just aren't going to react predictably.

If you're bridging at the cue's pivot point, you can get away with all sorts of crap, some of which was actually taught as what to do in the past. One of those things is swiping. swiping left or right while stroking for side spin. It's DEFINITELY not what you want to do to have the most consistent shooting, but it can work.

If you want to get into the weeds of it, just let me know. I can talk about this stuff for hours.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

Oikawa
My understanding is that for the CB's reaction after hitting it with the cue, all that matters is what the cue is doing at the moment of contact, within a few milliseconds(?) of the impact. Breaking down the components of the possible factors at impact (normalizing for the environment and the cue itself, I'm not talking about whether a shitty tip vs. good tip can execute certain shots), these would be point on CB (spin), power and angle of impact in 3D space. Simple enough, and makes sense.

However, the amount of times I've heard (mostly from local folks, but also at various online discussions) that certain shots can only be executed with a "smooth stroke", "good timing" or a "good follow-through", such that those shots are literally impossible without it, makes me wonder if there's any truth behind it, or if its just a false belief that has evolved over time from the fact that good timing is very useful in many other aspects, and that great players who make great shots often also have great timing.

Does anyone here know any science behind this, does the timing/smoothness/delivery etc. whatever you want to call it really affect the range of possible shots that can be executed? What I am absolutely not disputing is that timing aids in consistency, that is true. An extreme spin shot is definitely more likely to be made with a smooth delivery, but can all the shots be executed even one time with a bad one? That is the question I'm wondering.

My own experience definitely supports that this is a myth, what do you all think?
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