Mensabum said:

I'm moving to Wisconsin.

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Just don't move to Madison, Milwaukee or Racine, ha ha.

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Does Lance still teach?

Bob Jewett said:

Well, no. The winner of the lag decides who will shoot first, and the player who shoots first has the white ball.

The rules:

https://files.umb-carom.org/public/rules/carom_rules.pdf

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Would there ever be a situation a player would NOT want to go first? What's the typical first shot worth in the pro ranks? 3 points?
Even with equal innings, I can't think of a reason to give up the hanger first point with position.

I was just complaining about the quality of today's AZB then ran into this great great thread. My apologies to AZB, Mike, all the posters.

I'm sure all that are familiar with the cue balls being different to work with a table have memories of some crazy play. If pressed I could draw a table length on a seven foot table but mostly I abided by the saying "draw for show, follow for dough". Most people could only draw the bar table cue balls a couple feet and if you could do more you held it in reserve for the right moment.

middleofnowhere said:

You know, there were players that were really super on the bar tables. But many players, like my self who for a while played only on bar tables with the big ball were tough to beat. Especially by the uninitiated player no matter who they were.
I had Mike Segel stuck for hours and made Richie Ambrose quit.

Some of the places I used to play the tables were terrible often without even a light directly over the table. These guys would come in thinking there were suckers in there and actually could not win.
Tony Howard (one eyed Tony) was one of the best I saw adapt. He played great right out of the box.

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The light not directly over the table or in one case, a light over the table but another bright light almost directly to one side. Took me a month to figure out why I was a little off in that bar but it was closest to my house and it paid off for years. I beat some top road players in there and a big part of why was the lighting.

It wasn't something big or obvious but it made the balls appear a gnat's ass to the side of where they really were. Most shots it didn't matter, then when you went for a really tough shot, GOTCHA!

To add to the confusion, that bar used the big cue ball. I liked heavy cue balls in general but the big one in particular. I referred to it as the eight hundred pound gorilla on the table. Between the lighting and the cue balls and this being the closest place to my house with pool tables, this was my home turf. I couldn't beat anyone every night but on a given night I might beat anyone. There were nights I controlled every shot on the table for hours and that is tough action for anyone to fade.(grin)

I did OK on nine foot tables but my favorites were snooker tables and bar tables. Both short tracks since you usually shot the red balls in the bottom corners of a snooker table then shot the seven or six, so the usual playing surface of even a 12' table was usually 3'x6'.

Loved the old time tables, old time rock and roll too!

Hu

I traveled extensively for 30 years, the only place I recall having a table was on North Meridian in Indy. It was free and my guys would play after work for a couple hours, then grab dinner. I had a female on my exam team for a while whose dad had owned a bar with a table when she was growing up, and she was a very decent player.

An analogy I use for the mud ball is a figure skater spins faster when they bring their arms in close to their body. The mud ball has flecks of metal dispersed evenly throughout the ball, rather than a single metal ball at the center (most of the time) on a red dot cue ball.

A friend of mine used to swap cueballs before a league match started and return them after the match was done. The opposing team usually did not have a clue, or welcomed the change.

trob said:

Well maybe if you need to win so you could eat you would take the game a little more serious. I love playing guys like you.. makes me play even slower and watch you lose your mind.

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LOL.

I took the game serious for many years and guys like you wouldn't make it to the table where the real players played.

I bought this and I am going to wear it to the Mosconi Cup.

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Just watch Predator events!