muskyed said:

In baseball you have an impartial umpire, in pool leagues you don't. Can you imagine in baseball if it was the player, determining whether the pitch was a strike or foul? Pool leagues will loose members after a time, and some members will loose friends. This is not a good rule for league play, tmts yes, leagues no, after a year of this they will loose membership.

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So let's think golf.

No refs there.

The rules are the rules. Nobody, on their first day playing golf ever said I'm not gonna play this game if I have to count every time I swing at the ball.

Here's how the game is played.

Let's play!

David in FL said:

Did anyone in an old guys softball league ever quit because they had to run around 4 bases instead of just 3?

Teach them the rules as they exist, and move on....

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In baseball you have an impartial umpire, in pool leagues you don't. Can you imagine in baseball if it was the player, determining whether the pitch was a strike or foul? Pool leagues will loose members after a time, and some members will loose friends. This is not a good rule for league play, tmts yes, leagues no, after a year of this they will loose membership.

Bob Jewett said:

And half the players are under 600. I should have played.

The fact that there would be added money was only announced a month ago or so, and it is $20,000 spread over all of the events.

For next year, I hope they announce the schedule at least six months ahead and find enough added money to make it worth while for the top US players. Evidently the title, "US Champion" is not a sufficient draw.

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Me too. I would have had a shot at finishing in the top 25 at the US national championship!

dr_dave said:

It is not impossible at all. I cover in detail how to deal with this in the video. Basically, with nobody observing, the shooter gets the benefit of the doubt if they don't admit the foul.

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Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. I'm in two very well run leagues where everyone mostly always gets along. When you start nit picking whether someone's hair, or shirt, or boob or whatever touched a ball and the shooter didn't either feel or notice it, but their opponent did and called a foul, to say that the shooter can override what the opponent called if they don't agree, is just going to create a poop storm of lingering sour feelings. I think it is best for league play to leave it the way it is where you need to bump 2 or more balls to be a foul. I feel this will just be a catalyst for bad feelings with in a league that is well run now. Most all of our league players are personal friends of each other, we don't need this in league to divide us.
Our leagues run the gamut of abilities with fargo equivalents on the low end of the low 300's to the high 600's. On one league the average of shooters might be in the 475 fargo range, but our other league I would say the average of the shooters is about 525, maybe 550 fargo.
Now if you want to make it a foul for the shooter to show his butt crack, I'm all for it. We have one that's really gross.

Fore Rail said:

How is my familiarity or lack thereof with these organizations germane to the discussion?

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If you have no idea about the organization of cue sports now, it seems to me like you would have trouble figuring out which direction it should go. This may help:

Putting water on a wood shaft is just stupid! 90+% isopropyl alcohol has been recommended for the past. 30 years by top rated cue makers- end of story.

iusedtoberich said:

Agree, worst shot I've ever seen by a top pro.

✂️ Earl bad position

12 seconds · Clipped by Nick P · Original video "Steve Davis vs. Earl Strickland | 2002 Mosconi Cup" by Matchroom Pool

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Earl was pretty nervous at that Mosconi. He made a few very un-Earl-like plays. I remember Shane having to help him move his ball-in-hand when Earl couldn't reach it.

Bob Jewett said:

Are you familiar with the current international organization of cue sports? The WCBS, WPA, UMB, etc.?

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How is my familiarity or lack thereof with these organizations germane to the discussion?

Seems to me there are too many cooks in kitchen each doing their own thing & getting nowhere in the process.

Again which of these organizations are going to work in tandem to govern all cue sports both here and abroad like the USGA & R&A?

iusedtoberich said:

So you think he was going 2 rails forward then?

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Pretty big speed error if so. Maybe just trying to miss the 9 on his way to center table and overdoes the inside?

pj <- Earl's shots aren't all pearls
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