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A simple answer to the APA/BCA Amateur League dilemma

Bob Jewett
Garo 7 said:
... Lets make BCA a true pool league, ....
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A small nit... The BCA is not a pool league. It is a manufacturers organization. It has essentially no player members. It is the North American member of the WPA.

The BCAPL is a pool league. That's what the PL stands for. The BCA part stands for nothing. It's just letters. The BCAPL belongs to CSI (Cue Sports International, an American company headquartered in Las Vegas). The USAPL also is a league system that belongs to CSI.

The BCA had a league system from about 1983(?), Around 2005, it sold that system to Mark Griffin. Griffin founded CSI. The BCA sued Mark Griffin to stop him from using the old name of the league. The BCA lost the court case as they had agreed at the time of the sale that Griffin could continue to use the name for brand recognition. Or, that's the reported story.

It is CSI that would have to be convinced that a profit could be made from serious pool players on 9-foot tables. Well, maybe not. Alternatively, convince the BCA -- the governing body of pool in North America -- that a league of more serious players on 9-foot tables is a good idea.
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A simple answer to the APA/BCA Amateur League dilemma

trob
Well we have little to no 9 ft tables in my area so thats a problem. Everything is barbox.

The other problem and the reason I stopped played bca in my area is a match consists of 4 sets with 5 games played in each set. You can only play 1 game in each set so that means you don’t play anymore then 4 games of pool in a night. Playing 1 game and then sitting for an hour to me is a joke. That’s not serious. That’s hanging out with your boys and playing the occasional game.

The best league I’ve played in is apa masters. No handicap. You play 5 games of 8 ball and up to 8 games of 9 ball first to 7 wins. Jump cues and push outs are allowed. The problem is keeping the league together. Not enough apa players want to play without the help of a handicap so the leagues are weak.
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kielwood shaft finish

SSDiver2112
NCC1515 said:
Anyone still watching this thread? Had a guy bring me two new 'kielwood' shafts, both from same maker, somewhere in Asia (according to the owner). He wanted new tips on them. Both shafts had clear finish. Juma ferrules, I think. My trouble was: there was similar runout on both ferrules. Enough to make the job more work than most tips I do. Then I'm scratching my head wondering why. I've had some old, traditional maple shafts display some wobble right at the end, when collet is chucked up in the lathe just below ferrule. With old traditional maple shafts, I had decided that it was probably due to issues that occurred over time, with possible warping and compression and/or other effects of years of impact. So would love to hear opinions as to what was going on with these 'new' kielwood shafts, both with off-center ferrules. Do you think they turned the ferrule on the shafts before applying the clear finish to the shafts, or what??? Were I ever at the point where I could build/finish a torrified maple shaft, I'd think that clear coat, if required, would need to be applied with the shaft vertical, and before installation of the ferrule.
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Are you saying there’s finish all the way up the shaft from one into the other?

There should only be finish on the first few inches of the joint end.

A brand new shaft should not have run out like what you are describing.
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Why Pool Leagues Should Embrace “ALL BALL FOULS”

skor
All leagues and tournaments over here are all balls fouls. This is how the game should be played.
There is something that is called sportsmanship. The opponent usually sees better than the shooter, so if he calls a foul, it is.

But for this to be able to work in the USA, pool should be treated as a sport... yes! we are back to this argument... if it's just a past time game then leave it with CB foul only, but really, stop complaining that pool is not going anywhere and that it's dying in the US
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kielwood shaft finish

JoeyInCali
NCC1515 said:
Anyone still watching this thread? Had a guy bring me two new 'kielwood' shafts, both from same maker, somewhere in Asia (according to the owner). He wanted new tips on them. Both shafts had clear finish. Juma ferrules, I think. My trouble was: there was similar runout on both ferrules. Enough to make the job more work than most tips I do. Then I'm scratching my head wondering why. I've had some old, traditional maple shafts display some wobble right at the end, when collet is chucked up in the lathe just below ferrule. With old traditional maple shafts, I had decided that it was probably due to issues that occurred over time, with possible warping and compression and/or other effects of years of impact. So would love to hear opinions as to what was going on with these 'new' kielwood shafts, both with off-center ferrules. Do you think they turned the ferrule on the shafts before applying the clear finish to the shafts, or what??? Were I ever at the point where I could build/finish a torrified maple shaft, I'd think that clear coat, if required, would need to be applied with the shaft vertical, and before installation of the ferrule.
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Why would the finish at the joint end affect the ferrules' concentricity?
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Why Pool Leagues Should Embrace “ALL BALL FOULS”

I
An in-house league that I used to play in had all ball fouls for a couple of seasons. It was an absolute shit show all the arguments it created. Last thing anyone wants to do on league night is argue about whether or not their hair or shirt touched a ball out in space.

Simply cannot be done without designated and impartial Referee’s and nobody is going to pay for that. Horrible idea imo. I watched the video, doesn’t change my mind.

Now if you want to do this in tournaments? Where everyone is there to win and that’s what the game is about, not a terrible idea. But, frankly, it just doesn’t matter for the outcome of the game if the 6 ball moves 1/8” I mean come on that’s not worth an argument for any amount of cheese.
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2025 AZB Ghost Challenge - Official Thread

iusedtoberich
tattoosbyjay said:
I just started playing pool again I was away from the game for 13 years the whole Fargo system is new to me how would you get your Fargo number if you don’t have one can you estimate it playing the ghost where should you start your fargo and how many games played to get. Base thank for any help
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You get it from tournaments that use the system, and can also do challenge matches that report to it using a phone app called Salatto.

It's a logarithmic scale. Every 100 point difference means a 66:33 ratio of winning a single game, which roughly works out to doubling the lesser player's score in a longer set.

The chart on the first page of this thread we have FargoRate recorded for members that provided it. But keep in mind, the chart only has their best score of the year, not an average ghost score.

The very last chart on the first page has a running total of a few members of what their entire ghost history is for the year. That's a better average to see where you might fit in using the ghost as the only tool.
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How to clean wood shaft after every use?

Johnny Rosato
I have 2 shafts I mostly play with. I wipe them down after each use with a dry paper towel
mainly to get all chalk off the tip.
They look dirty but what I say is they are well 'seasoned'. They are slick as glass.
On a rare occasion I'll make of few passes with the green side of a Q-wiz, then use
the other side numerous times until I feel a mild 'heat'.
My other shafts are getting that 'seasoned' look and feel, I just don't play them as much.
BTW, any time I had bought a new or used cue I'd let my cue repair guy put one of my stash
of tips on then clean and seal the shafts. After that no so-called cleaning.
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