billiards_watch said:

I think people are pointing their fingers at Filipino players because waxing the ball could be a cultural thing. Everyone has their little nuances and we know pool is very influential. Maybe waxing the cueball is a thing over there.

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Robocop. Starts talking about it ~5m20s.

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Paul_#_ said:

Notes from listening to Robocop's Facebook video 5:20 to end:
He recalls incident in about year 2000 where a tournament had balls cleaned and the polishing included waxing the balls.
Europeans many years ago dominated pool and used wax a lot. Asian and especially Phillipino players did not but have catched up to the Europeans. Now he heard that everyone uses waxes. Players put it on their gloves or hand or palm.
He made it sound like balls are being waxed and it will continue unless tournament organizers set rules to stop it such as player can hold ball-in-hand only with three fingers. Referee touches balls at other times and not player

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For what its worth, Dennis "Robocop" Orcollo Official says there is no cultural thing of waxing in Filipino players. Rather, he claims Europeans beat them to the practice and the Filipino players only catched up to the Europeans.

Learn by doing. Use cheap dowels and junk cues. . Get started. You will gain experience every time you work on a tip. Never mind how it looks at first. Getting started and doing is the teacher.

Super easy. Just a few videos some elemental trial and error and you’re good to go.

Honestly if you have any basic rudimentary knowledge it’s barely a challenge. It’s almost self explanatory.

You’ll be fine. Fear not.

Chopdoc said:

Sorry to hear they didn't make the weight.

I had suggested talking to Pechauer about their black ice infused break shaft. The infusion process makes the shaft heavier.

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6.4 is pretty heavy to start with.

The thought is to use the infused wood, then roast it.

I have no idea how the processes would work together, but starting with a shaft that is 6.4 ounces sounds like a heck of a starting point.

I remember you responded to my idea, so you saw it, but I don't remember if you ever spoke to Pechauer about it.

I am very curious to see where this adventure ends up, and sure would never really know if you were not so damned determined, so keep it up.

If nothing else the drama makes for a heck of a story. But you may tap into something beyond just the weight that nobody thought of as you push this. Never know, it could have broader importance than just your unique desire.

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Thank you for your post. I know a lot of folks must think I have some aberrant minded views about cues. Heck, they could be correct. But I fervently believe in what I’ve preached for decades. Find out what works best for you and stick with it. So I strive to avoid deviating much In my approach to pool cues.

What has been interesting is the different opinions I’ve encountered from cue makers I contacted to tackle this, as well as a long list of other Azers that either think I’m whistling Dixie or don’t know my ass from my elbow about pool cues.

So far very few cue makers have indicated they can build a KW shaft over 4 ozs. without having to add weight to the shaft and it doesn’t need to be 13mm diameter or a 30” length either. I’ve ordered 12.75mm shafts and 29” length with a 5/8” ferrule. The cue maker didn’t hesitate the slightest at what I wanted him to build. And the best part is he’s has already built shafts like I want made. I never got around to speaking with Pechauer because I had placed an order with a different cue maker this past April for two KW shafts.

I only started this new thread after learning they weren’t able to build what I wanted and the 1st of the KW shafts they were making weighed 3.6 ozs.which is around the average weight of most KW shafts (3.4-3.7 ozs.). My Barnhart KW is 3.8 ozs which is my minimum shaft weight but I want 4 ozs or heavier to match my cues original maple shafts.

I am truly astonished at the differing cue maker opinions I encountered about building a heavier version KW shaft. It literally became contradictory views about what is doable and what isn’t. However, a heavier KW shaft can be made but requires adding weight towards the collar. And the ways of adding weight also differed by cue maker. I never believed adding weight should be necessary but I don’t build pool cues either. So when a cue maker tells me I’ve already built KW shafts even heavier than what you want without having to add weight to the shaft, then I’m all ears.

Pechauer is a talented cue maker and I like his workmanship. Not crazy about his standard cue joint but 3/8x10 and 3/8x11 wouldn’t be difficult for him to build. It was just bad timing because I resumed my cue maker search just the other day after starting this thread. I have a hunch that my golden rule about shaft and butt weight ratios will get adopted by some folks and they’re in store for a pleasant surprise. The balance on your cue couldn’t be any better.

When the shafts are finished, I’ll report back on the results. I think that heavier version KW shafts will perform better and the front end mass on those shafts will be lighter just like other KW shafts. But everyone has different tastes and opinions when it comes to pool cues. I failed on my last two searches for a Hercek flat ivory cue and Cortland Linen (white w/blk spec). This time I think I am going to be successful because I find giving up a very distasteful strategy.

Thanks for being interested in this thread and let’s see how it turns out. My hope is it increases interest in & popularity of KW shafts. And it would be amazing if more folks tried this and reported my golden rule for pool cues holds true.

Bob Jewett said:

As for detecting stuff on the ball, there is equipment that can tell the chemical composition of materials at levels far lower than what would be on the ball. Not cheap, so the ball would likely have to be sent to a lab.

I think a better idea is to have a new cue ball for each rack, and no impromptu cleaning by the players. Cue balls do change some during a match if they aren't cleaned.

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I posted this earlier. I by no means an expert but I did some research and I found that something called a Dyne pen test is probably the most practical, affordable, and dependable method. It’s fast, simple, and visual. If legal or high stakes accusations are involved at a tournament setting then send the cue ball to a lab for further confirmation.

Sign of the times when stakes are high look what the poker world does for preventing “cheating.”