cueball2010 said:

Which one of these break tips is the hardest leather? I think i want the one with the most energy transfer but still can hold chalk for a second ball break with side spin. I don't think you can do that with a Phenolic tip.

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My favorite super hard Leather Break Tip is the Mad Man.

iusedtoberich said:

Why in the world did the winner of the flip give up the break? I’ve never in my life seen anyone do that. He should have kept to proper protocol.

I’ve heard of Pat Fleming claiming the break was a disadvantage overall, but I doubt even he gave it up in his playing days.

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Pat did, in fact, sometimes give up the break. He even gave his opponent all the breaks with some excuse such as a sore arm. That was back when the break was not an advantage for a lot of players on the tour. The maximum power style led to a lot of scratches and even cue balls off the table.

As for the applicable rule, that depends on the event and the TD. Here is what the CSI rules say:


For the next break, the rule depends on the event and game. The standard CSI rule says:

classiccues said:

Ebony full splices were heavy, as were Brazilian rosewood. The train of thought is that the splice appearing under the handle was to allow a maple sleeve to lighten the cue and extend it for rings etc... This makes sense, IMHO. Spain covers some of this in his booklet along with A-joints and the like. It would make sense that Adam and National/Gandy shared some commonality as Helmstetter, Meucci, Cervantes I am sure overlapped.

JV

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This is part of what attracts me to that era and certain makers. These connections, the lineage, the associations, the history. There was so much happening. Hold on a minute...you got me going. LOL!

That's how I ended up focusing on National/Gandy, end of 60's early 70's. The designs, construction, materials, and seeing the history in the physical cues themselves. Variations on models, models that I can't find in any catalog, maybe customs.

I got the idea to do what Tate did and reproduce the 10 cue Gandy catalog like he did the Palmer catalogs. I have 15 cues, but because of doubles, triples, etc., I still need 3 cues to have a complete set, 5 if you notice my comments below. I also have some interesting variations not seen in the known Gandy or National catalogs.

I am still looking for the ones in red.

Model #HC-80 0

MODEL #HC-100 0

MODEL #HC-110 4 (Have several variants)

MODEL #HC-115 1

MODEL #HC-120 1 (Have 1987 version, still need early example)

MODEL #HC-135 0

MODEL #HC-140 1 (Prized ebony Titlist conversion, would still like a standard Titlist example for the catalog pic)

MODEL #HC-145 2

MODEL #HC-150 2

MODEL #RG-1000 4 (Have several variants)

One of the general things this adventure has taught me so far is that the more plain cues are harder to find. They don't stand out and likely get missed. Probably many got trashed over the years too. Because of this I end up looking at so many plain cues for sale and ask for a close-up picture looking for that aluminum insert. I have bought 2 or 3 plain cues cheap that ended up being duds. I also landed one recently for only $15 in an open auction that nobody else bid on, I guess nobody saw what it was. Cue is in great shape and if I was a flipper I would sell it for a really good profit.

I think it's interesting that we started with a question about aluminum inserts on a first year Adam cue and ended up here, talking about so much more. I really love this stuff. Funny thing is that I don't really have much interest in Meucci except where the first cues are concerned and the overlap with Huebler. I have a number of Huebler cues, and exactly one Meucci Original with no plans to look for more.

Eventually, when I do the Gandy catalog flyer picture reproduction, I will do detailed pictures and discussions of all of them, including some very interesting variants and possible National versions. My research included discussions and documentation from Dick Abbott, who sold me the ebony Titlist HC-140, as well as numerous web searches and discussions with others, especially here on AZB over the years. I have ended up researching a number of individuals, and even in some cases going through their obituaries and finding pictures of their graves.

I will close with this crop from the June 1971 National Billiard News.

INCLUDES JOINT PROTECTORS

jimmyg said:

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Now someone needs to save the “camel toe cat” from that wedgie

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Carabineer and Amazon search for small pouch?
You could always just keep a Ziploc with your small widgets and gadgets in your car.

If your equipment is properly maintained, what do you actually need to take inside? How long is a practice session or league game?

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Bob Jewett said:

You're new here, so you didn't get the reference. Here's one example...

https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...eds-to-cater-to-literacy.116571/#post-1459751

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Yes, I still use viola when I mean voila in memory of Doug too. Baited breath is a good pun, while in memory of Doug, I used it long before I met him. I occasionally thank people for inciteful comments too. With spellcheck and such now it makes it often impossible to know if humor was intended or not. While they definitely help overall, spellcheck and AI are mixed blessings. I have been reading and watching a lot created by AI lately, partially to detect weaknesses in order to detect it in less obvious places like news articles.

Off topic for this thread but I am seeing AI is able to create a heavy presence of propaganda and indoctrinating horse crap. It is being used to create division and I don't think this is just to get hits.

Hu

Tou can get a belt pouch and attach it to the case with velcro strap

Low or normal deflection?

Crazy good price for one of the best playing cues you will ever put your hands on.

Bavafongoul said:

I am using the Kamui Sai -Control break tip on my McDermott Stinger cue that I’ve used for decades.
Much to my surprise and amazement, the tip either rejuvenated my cue or else my break because it
seems to hit the rack more powerfully based on the sound of my break and scatter of the pool balls.

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More info on Kamui's Control Break Sai Tip selling for $28 at PoolDawg in either Hard or Extra Hard. It is made of pigskin and resin (phenolic resin?).

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iusedtoberich said:

Why in the world did the winner of the flip give up the break? I’ve never in my life seen anyone do that. He should have kept to proper protocol.

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Plenty of reasons. Maybe you know your opponent has a terrible break. Maybe you know your opponent has a great break, but isn't a threat to run out. Maybe you are playing a confused old guy. Maybe your opponent is a 23y/o lady in a short skirt. I've done it and had it done to me numerous times. It can be a great mind game.

If I want to give up the break, I try to do it before a coin flip.