sjm said:

This is not accurate.

The pedigree of the opponents you face figures prominently in your Fargo. As the players back in the day faced easier opponents, they would not have had high Fargo rates unless their level of domination exceeded anything we have ever seen.

Being the best doesn't mean you have a high Fargo, just a higher one than your contemporaries.

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I think it is more accurate than you are giving it credit for being.

Fargo rates players within an ecosystem, based on wins and losses of games. It does not care if they can pocket balls, play safe or kick, or anything else. The only data is "who won."

Then, it builds from there on "who did THEY beat? And who did they lose to... and who did THEY beat, and who did they lose to..." on and on.

Fargo builds a pyramid. There will always be a point at the top.

In a year that a top player dominated the tournament scene, like Reyes, Strickland, Varner or Segal, they would have rated in the 800s because they were beating everyone, and the "everyone" they were beating were beating everyone else... and so on.

IF there is a case that the ecosystem was not as strong (there was less international play, for example, creating less "connectedness") the tip of the pyramid might be a few points lower (790, not 800) but not much more than that.

HOWEVER... do I think that yesterday's 780 would compete with today's 780? No. Today's 780 has achieved that rating against a tougher set of opponents (inarguably a deeper field).

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iusedtoberich said:

12 points is a good amount of movement with a 671 robustness for not having played in 3.5 years. My bet is you played a few tournaments in the interim and forgot about them, or didn't know they reported.

If you download the fargorate app, and pay for the subscription service, it will show you all of your matches. You can pay for just a month for about $2, and then turn it off. The free version doesn't show your match history, the paid version does.

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Yes I have the Fargo app and can see my matches and no, I have not played in any BCA events, league or tournaments in over 3 years.

A little more than 1/2 diamond. Stop shot straight in. Playing to make it.

GideonF said:

To add to Bob’s reply, when you say you haven’t “played BCA for 3 years” are you talking about about just the BCA pool league or have you played tournaments that report to Fargo? Has your robustness increased since 3 years ago?

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No, I have not played any BCA for 3 years, no BCA reported tourneys, nothing. My robustness has remained the same obviously since I have not played in BCA.

Bumpy

Not Dead Ted said:

So, are you saying that efficient stroke force production is by gravity or that it is by active shoulder motion?

If active flexion of the elbow is excluded, those would seem to be the two

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Producing a coordinated multi joint movement efficiently is complex. Talented movers will do this naturally subconsciously. This is why leaving stroking to the subconscious is currently the best advice being offered. What it certainly is not, is muscling one of the joints, like the over simplified "triceps back, biceps forward" rooted in a fifth grader level understing of movement, would suggest.

You're right though, for all the guys saying things like, "let the cue do the work", gravity certainly plays a role.

fastone371 said:

It doesn't matter how good the individual player is, there still would have been 850 FR players in every era. FR isn't based on how well you pocket balls or play the game, only how well you perform against your contemporaries.

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This is not accurate.

The pedigree of the opponents you face figures prominently in your Fargo. As the players back in the day faced easier opponents, they would not have had high Fargo rates unless their level of domination exceeded anything we have ever seen.

Being the best doesn't mean you have a high Fargo, just a higher one than your contemporaries.

Well I'm shocked as hell some of your are saying 6-9" gap, and some of your are saying to play a cut shot. You'd do that at $50 or $100 per game?