bpeacock said:

These guys may have broken 3 federal laws and all they had to do was return the money. They didn't even lose a penny.

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Is there any chance a federal prosecutor would care?

I like this idea, can we use it to calc ball speed as it approaches a pocket?

One of the old timers who was a regular at Tournament Billiards in Culver City told me that one of the other regulars was the actor Peter Falk before he would become famous for being Columbo in the TV series with the same name.

There are several posts about Peter Falk at Tournament Billiards on AZB and you can see Columbo hitting a few shots if you click the link below.

The episode is called, "How to Dial a Murder".


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These guys may have broken 3 federal laws and all they had to do was return the money. They didn't even lose a penny.

18 U.S.C. § 371, the language most relevant to a collusion or match-fixing scenario is the first paragraph:
“If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy…”
That is the core conspiracy language prosecutors rely on.
The important concepts inside it are:
“two or more persons conspire”
→ an agreement or coordinated plan between people
“to commit any offense against the United States”
→ the agreement is aimed at violating another federal law (for example wire fraud or sports bribery)
“one or more… do any act”
→ at least one overt act must occur to advance the plan
In a hypothetical match-fixing case, prosecutors might argue:
two players agreed to rig a match,
the purpose was to commit wire fraud or sports bribery,
and overt acts included texts, payments, betting activity, or intentionally losing.
The conspiracy statute itself does not define the underlying wrongdoing — it attaches to another federal offense. So prosecutors typically pair § 371 with statutes like:
18 U.S.C. § 1343 (wire fraud),
18 U.S.C. § 224 (sports bribery),
or illegal gambling laws.

primary federal wire fraud statute is 18 U.S.C. § 1343.
Here is the key operative language:
“Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”

federal statute commonly called the Sports Bribery Act of 1964, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 224 (“Bribery in sporting contests”):
“Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commerce to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge that the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contest, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

I swore I would never use CF, I've been using a Becue cue for 5 yrs now, best hitting cue I've ever owned, if you've never tried a CF cue try the Becue, The Butt is CF too, one thing Becue does differently than other manufacturers is design different shafts for different types of hit, most manufacturers build the best shaft ever until a couple years and then the new shaft is the best ever, Becue has the original Prime shaft, reminds me of a Muecci shaft, the Engage shaft which feels like a true CF shaft, not a lot of feedback, and my favorite shaft, the Prime II shaft, to me it has the perfect blend of feedback and CF shaft feel to me, one thing I've found is shaft diameter doesn't make as much difference like in a wood shaft, so if you are used to playing with a 13 mm shaft you can use their 12.9 mm Engage shaft and still get the advantage of low deflection in a size shaft that feels comfortable to you, best way to know is hit one for yourself, Becue has many options for a cue that works for you

Bump price dropped

Well, we've finally accepted an offer on the building, so the tables are going to need to find a new home in the next month or two. They are located in Oregon, about 80 miles east of Portland. If anyone has an interest in them let me know. We'll likely accept most any fairly serious offer.

straightline said:

About clear head? Ok. Just maintaining CG identity.

CG and hyperexoexecution are separate entities. You know; measure twice cut once blah blah...

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Ok, clear head would be a good way to describe what is going on when I am in the zone. When I googled CG I got ambiguous results, and hyperexoexecution was not found.

See, if you were in jail, and you f^*ked with somebody, you disrespect somebody, you can end up dead. But out here in the real world, there's no consequences. They only had to apologize, which imo is nothing. I'm all for gambling in pool, but conspiring with several others to dump so everyone involved wins, even both players, to me that's just wrong.
If they were banned from competition for x amount of time, or lost their sponsorships for x amount of time they may think twice before pulling stunts like this.
In reality if there were any consequences, it would just teach them to become better at keeping it hidden. Burner phones or only in-person meetings should be pretty apparent when your trying to scam people out of that kind of money.