Highest percentage way to shoot this with BIH, playing Back Pocket 9 Ball

Not a joke. This shot comes up playing "Back Pocket 9 Ball" a bit. I don't think it comes up in any other game. Opponent scratches while pocketing the 9. 9 spots and you must shoot it to your far pocket. I've seen top local players miss it over the years.

How would you shoot it? How much space would you leave between CB and 9? Would you leave like 2 balls and jack up a hair and shoot a bit firmer? Or leave more space and shoot a longer follow thru? Would you hit it pocket speed to hang it up if you miss? Or would you hit it a bit more speed. Assume average pool hall level conditions.

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Aim the tip of your cue through the center of the cue ball, through the center of the object ball, to the back of the pocket. Loose relaxed grip. Medium soft speed. Easy peezy.

If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

Well, here goes a long brain dump.

There is no objective score for pool, so it's not possible to use that as a baseline for "who is better." For example, the 100m freestyle swim is always 100m. So it's easy to see who is fastest across time. It's fairly objective to say that the best a decade ago was 10 seconds slower than today.

Fargo is a relative rating systems. You "earn" a rating relative to your contemporaries. It's a statistical analysis that I think has some inherent issues, but, overall, it is very good. Undoubtedly the best we've every had.

Consider: Shane in 2015 was the highest rated player at 824 Fargo. Now, he's a 846. And Filler is 860 today. So, a decade ago, would "best in the world" Shane be better or worse than today's #6 Shane, who is 20 points higher rated. And, how would 2015 Shane [best in the world then] compare to today's Filler [best in the world now]. Similarly, is Shane in 2015 (824) the same Fargo "caliber" player as Niels, Capito or Alcaide of today (~820). Fargo across time is weird.

Also, there is no cap for Fargo (as far as I know). And it looks like there has been some inherent inflation of the ratings (Fargo creep, which I think folks disagree with despite the top ranking increase over the last 10 years). That is (rhetorically), why is the best in the world today ago 40 points higher than the best in the world a decade ago? If this could be interpreted as a trendline, then we might see a 40 point drop every decade. This is odd to contemplate because, using this trend, 100 years ago the best-in-the-world would be a ~500 Fargo. While that seems low against today's numbers, against their peers in that era, if 500 was the highest rating you could get, then a 490 would still be world class.

Synthesizing that gibberish, one answer is that there would be no 800 Fargo rated players in the 70s or 80s because 800 Fargo didn't come to be until the middle 2000s and 850 didn't exist until recently. That is, even Shane (or whoever was #1 in 2000) might not even be 800. This isn't a perfect analysis, but you get the idea of one perspective on top Fargo over time.

But maybe you could apply some scaling factor to players in prior eras to put those players in ranked order and then say the top [then] would be 850 [now]. You could get a mapping using today's Fargo numbers, but it would just be for show with little statistical accuracy.

[note: I'm pretty sure Mike discussed using 1000 as a theoretical reference point for someone that is superhumanly dominant along the way. And I think 500 is the anchor point for average pool players. So the middle should stay the middle, but the top might continue to grow. Also, you can't really take the past data of players and insert it into the Fargo db and calculate scores because there would likely be too much statistical error. The number of datapoints would also be very small compared to what we have today].

-td [my two cents. Definitely worth much less]

Highest percentage way to shoot this with BIH, playing Back Pocket 9 Ball

PS, has anyone here played this game? It was super popular in Philadelphia from the 80's through the 2000's. Then most of the people that played it daily died off. From my understanding, Pete Fusco was the main champion of the game, and did try to spread it around the country in his travels. There was also a shortened version called "Bare Ball" that starts with only the 9 ball, not using balls 1-8. Similar to "one ball one pocket", but the 9 goes in the back pockets, not the front.

I think the "back pocket 9 ball world championships" won by Mike Gulluyase had a bastardized version of the rules.

Highest percentage way to shoot this with BIH, playing Back Pocket 9 Ball

Why would there be any need to jack up?
One way to set it up is like I have it in the opening picture. They are close enough that a little bit of jacked up is needed to avoid a double hit. Just a touch.

One could argue putting them closer together increases the accuracy, while jacking up decreases it. That's the crux of my question. Is there an optimal setup?

Also the speed. Some guys, especially my speed (570) will hit this "exact" pocket speed so if it misses the 9 hangs on the edge. Some will hit it a bit firmer, so if it misses the 9 might bounce 1 diamond. I don't think anyone hits it harder than that.

I used to play this game weekly in the late 90's, but haven't in 25 years. Just started playing it again so I'm out of practice with a lot of the moves.

Highest percentage way to shoot this with BIH, playing Back Pocket 9 Ball

this is the strangest WWYD in the forum's history
haha. Believe me I know. That's why I had to preface it with "not a joke".
Really though, I can't think of a game this shot comes up in except Back Pocket 9 Ball. It comes up at least once per session playing it. I'm pretty sure Pete Fusco has missed it a few times, as he played this game for decades.

BCA handicap, how/why did I go up?

Rounding error? if a player is inactive, especially for an extended period of time, (no league, tourneys, any BCA reported stuff), I see no reason for a players HC to change at all, especially by 12 points. I don't see the logic in it. I really don't care because I'll probably play BCA again sometime and my HC will find it's place so it's no biggie.

Thanks for the replies gents.
Because it's not a handicap reflective of your accumulated skills and abilities, it's a rating comparing your performance with the rest of the players and games in the pool at any point in time. The number can change whenever the set of players or games changes, which is daily whether you play or not.

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