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Mensabum said:
That is still my regular practice routine. Keeps my game sharp.
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14:1 a fantastic game. Teaches us so much the books and vids don't. Recommend it to all. But no jump cues (whether you are a fan of them or not) and it IS part of today's game. Also seems very few bank shots which are also part of the game. Many people think it's also a slow ball-bunting fest but the reality is ball-bunting is the RESULT of good cue ball control. Let thy onlookers not be deceived. TRY running 40+ balls. Then 50+balls. It can take years to climb just one or two steps higher in the game. 14:1 and 1P are amazing gifts to the world of billiards. 3 cushion too.
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Controversial Non-Call of WRONG-BALL-HIT-FIRST FOUL - Hanoi Open - Capito vs. Lechner Quarter Final

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dr_dave said:
A qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable ref most definitely observes CB motion to detect fouls, especially with double hits and this type of shot where tangent line motion tells all.
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Yes and no. The referee's job is to be the judge, not the judge and jury.

So let's skip forward 100 years to the two best players ever playing 9 ball, a game that has been almost "solved" by today's standards. Instant replay technology is used on every single shot and happens so quickly that it's effectively real time. Both players (and their peers) "know" that it was probably a foul because of cueball motion but the replay (at 2 million frames per second) still shows a simultaneous hit - do we call a foul? No. Never. Judge not judge and jury.
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Controversial Non-Call of WRONG-BALL-HIT-FIRST FOUL - Hanoi Open - Capito vs. Lechner Quarter Final

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iusedtoberich said:
He def knew. Then gave some BS excuse (paraphrasing from my memory) "I wasn't watching the cb."
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Capito has always been a stand up guy. It’s BS to say he knew he fouled. If he didn’t call it on himself, it’s only because he wasn’t sure. Apparently it wasn’t as obvious as some people are making it out to be since it got ruled as a good hit. Mistakes happen, but questioning his integrity is not cool.
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Controversial Non-Call of WRONG-BALL-HIT-FIRST FOUL - Hanoi Open - Capito vs. Lechner Quarter Final

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skor said:
It's hard to argue with the tangent line argument but from the top view, it looks like the 4 moved before the 9.
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You are definitely seeing something I am not seeing, and I studied all footage very carefully.

skor said:
anyway, with this being so hard to tell, it was a good call by the ref.
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It was definitely the wrong call because the 9-first foul is obvious based on all the reasoning and examples in the video. Please watch the entire video again and let me know if you still
think the shot was good.
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Controversial Non-Call of WRONG-BALL-HIT-FIRST FOUL - Hanoi Open - Capito vs. Lechner Quarter Final

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Poolmanis said:
There is no tech needed on many shots, and it is referees job know the behavior of cueball on foul shots IF he want to be good referee, as Marcel probably wants. That 4 ball shot cueball can go forward but the speed that cueball have after hit is clear evidence of foul. Slow speed on shot and cueball have lot of speed and going to left tells there is 2 thin hits on balls, If it would hit 4 first cueball would not have much speed left. very simple. No need tech we all know that is foul instantly. You don´t need to see contact, ball behavior is enough.

edit: and every good player know that is foul instantly. Capito was just capitalizing dumb referee mistake..
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No, it is not the referee's job to know the behavior of the cueball. Never has been and never will be. You do need to see contact - because which ball was actually hit first is what the judgement should be based on according to the rules of the game. You can't make decisions on "ball behavior" because then you'd be making judgements about situations way more complex than this based on what "probably" or "everybody knows" happened.
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If a gun was put to your head to choose one player to pocket a difficult shot for you, who would you choose?

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sjm said:
I'd have to go with Spot Shot Kenny.
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As long as it's a spot shot. Kenny really doesn't/didn't play very good. Don't know if he is still alive. He played in my room everyday. All he did was spot shots. I never charged hit table time.

He beat me for $50 the first time I met him. He wanted to bet me he could make 25 of 50. He knows I would try to negotiate. I think we ended up on like 37 of 50. Needless to say, he had a lock. Unless it was 49 of 50 I had no chance.

Of course I got my money back many times over over the years with him because it seems so unimaginable what he could do. Even Jose Parica lost money to him. Parica tried to bet him shot for shot, of course I didn't last long.
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Controversial Non-Call of WRONG-BALL-HIT-FIRST FOUL - Hanoi Open - Capito vs. Lechner Quarter Final

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Swighey said:
Tangent lines is not the job of the referee. The referee's job is to decide whether there was a legal hit or not, and if there is no obvious foul then the referee's job is to not call a foul. If technology is available but it is still unclear then the referee should always call no foul.
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A qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable ref most definitely observes CB motion to detect fouls, especially with double hits and this type of shot where tangent line motion tells all.
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