OB Skid?
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yes it does...... Male sure they are clean as well. Chalk on the ob will cause skid, and that will be enhanced by the new felt.
This is why a tight table, appears to get tighter over time. Balls stop "sliding" into the pockets.
Thank you. Johnnyt
I noticed I was missing a lot of easy shots right after I got new cloth. Now I know what to look for.
Dead on. Johnnyt. For a while I blamed the new cloth for my bad playing. Now I blame the old cloth for my bad playing. Come to think of it, this seems to go in cycles.
I get your point, but I can see the QB skiding on almost every shot that has any degree of cut to it. I just wanted a 2nd or 3rd opinion that fast tight cloth is the reason. At first I thought I was thinking too much about position when shooting, because the fast cloth makes it very hard to get perfect position. I know that the cloth will loosen a bit and wear in over time. On a favorable note, my break in nine 9-ball has got awsome. The balls keep rolling around the table until they find a pocket
.I ran 72 balls on the old slow cloth, with a lot of high 20's to high 30's in between. In the four days I've had the new cloth on ,my high run is 17, and 95% of the runs end with missing an easy shot because of skid:angry:. Johnnyt
I have noticed the same thing. I just installed Granito Tournament 2000 on my Gold Crown I. This cloth is very fast.
The first 8 hours with clean Centennials, the table seemed to "slide" a lot. Now that the balls are dirty, I am noticing the skid on almost every soft stroked shot. The table is much harder to play on than my Gold Crown III with 3 year old Simonis 860.
what I've found is with the new cloth you don't have to slug the ball to get where you are going.....and we all know one factor in skids are light follow shots hit with slow speed.......along with dirt, chalk, some ball cleaning stuff, and for sake of argument stroke IMO.
on brand new cloth I try to go an extra rail, or hit a lot of firm stun shots, along with getting a more straight in positions.
have fun,
G.
on brand new cloth I try to go an extra rail, or hit a lot of firm stun shots, along with getting a more straight in positions.
have fun,
G.
Yes, slide and skid same thing. Johnnyt
Yes, that's what I try to do, (all of the above) but it'''s giving me a headache having to think that much when playing. I always try to look for the positve side on things. Shooting like that will make me a better position player when the cloth slows down a little. If it ever slows down.
Some table mecahanics and cloth sellers told me it would be too fast for a 7-footer, but I put it on anyway. I know everything
. Johnnyt
what exactly is a skid? I never heard of it in any book or reading in 30 years and just starting hearing about it by watching TAR matches and listening to the commentators. These commentators are very unknowable and they make it sound like any dirt on the balls or cloth causes this and is the reason for 99% of the missed shots in these matches.
the thing is the tables and balls are in great shape compared to what I (and probably most everyone) normally play on so I'm thinking I'm a pro but only miss because of skidding
seriously though what causes it? dirty ball, dirty cloth, clean colth, clean balls a combo of both, what???
what exactly is a skid? I never heard of it in any book or reading in 30 years and just starting hearing about it by watching TAR matches and listening to the commentators. These commentators are very unknowable and they make it sound like any dirt on the balls or cloth causes this and is the reason for 99% of the missed shots in these matches.
the thing is the tables and balls are in great shape compared to what I (and probably most everyone) normally play on so I'm thinking I'm a pro but only miss because of skidding
seriously though what causes it? dirty ball, dirty cloth, clean cloth, clean balls a combo of both, what???
I believe they are referring to "throw". The ob is thrown off the intended aim line because it skids just a bit before it starts rolling on the intended line.
Dirt or chalk on the cb and/or ob will cause this, as will slick cloth where the fabric does not have enough roughness to stop the ball from skidding... or being thrown off line. Often it is recommended to use running english to help keep this phenomena from occurring.
I hope I'm thinking of it correctly. This is the first time I've stepped out of line and tried to answer a technical question of this sort. I'm pretty new at this stuff.
I agree with your assessment Johnnyt. Slick cloth.... fast cloth.. will enable ob's to skid/slide/be thrown.
I hope one of the physicists will jump in and confirm.
I have played on a table for 3 weeks now that we just changed cloth on and yes it played very bad like it always has after it has been recovered. It is just now starting to get back to normal. Where I noticed it most is not making balls but getting clusters broken out. I could not make a ball and send the cb off a rail into a cluster to save my arse.
It's a popular topic and some source of argument here. It's definitely real but not as common as people make it out to be. A lot of missed shots are just plain misses. The conventional wisdom is that it happens when the chalk you leave on the ball after a shot happens to roll into place and contacts the object ball when they collide. This causes a ton of grab between the balls and throws the OB so that it undercuts by quite a bit. Visually it looks like the object ball slides away without rolling for a split second before it starts normal roll. It may even appear to go backwards a bit and then 'turn over'.
Some theorize this only happens when you hit with a naturally rolling cue ball or with topspin. Lots of dirt between balls (even if the chalk mark from your tip isn't involved) can cause the cue ball to put a hair of backspin on the OB.
It seems like there might be something to this because I rarely see it when there's draw on the cue ball. I'd go as far as to say I've never seen it.
Some theorize this only happens when you hit with a naturally rolling cue ball or with topspin. Lots of dirt between balls (even if the chalk mark from your tip isn't involved) can cause the cue ball to put a hair of backspin on the OB.
It seems like there might be something to this because I rarely see it when there's draw on the cue ball. I'd go as far as to say I've never seen it.
I can't tell if this is a compliment or an insult.
Anyway, I'm surprised that you really have never heard of "skid" in 30 years. It's such a common term in American pool. The Brits call it "kick." Billiards Digest's Dr. George Onoda had a great article on it over 15 years ago. Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett have articles on it online. And these forums have talked enough about skid for anyone's lilfetime.
Skid = excessive throw. One theory is that the cueball will still have chalk on it after being struck. When that same spot that has the chalk on it hits the object ball at contact, the balls will grab longer than what you would normally see. When you're standing there watching, you can see the balls grab together and slide coupled for a few milliseconds.
On at least one of the long TAR matchups, the object balls were picking up remnants of something from the pockets. Unless you've seen a photo of these balls, most people have no clue just how bad these balls got. It's a wonder there wasn't more skidding going on with all that extras shmutz on the balls.
On new clean tables with Simonis, e.g., the chalk tends to stay on the cueball longer rather than getting rubbed off by the cloth. So, I think the phenomenon is that the chalk spots on the cueball just get multiplied.
Fred
what exactly is a skid? I never heard of it in any book or reading in 30 years and just starting hearing about it by watching TAR matches and listening to the commentators. These commentators are very unknowable and they make it sound like any dirt on the balls or cloth causes this and is the reason for 99% of the missed shots in these matches.
the thing is the tables and balls are in great shape compared to what I (and probably most everyone) normally play on so I'm thinking I'm a pro but only miss because of skidding
seriously though what causes it? dirty ball, dirty cloth, clean colth, clean balls a combo of both, what???
I thought the same thing about the equipment listening to TAR, in the first Alex-SVB match John Schmidt was going on about how filthy the conditions were. (I thought he did a good job though)
Maybe the tables I play on (not to mention my apartment) are dirtier than I thought!
