New Fisher For Blow Fish
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OK,
I'm going to make one comment on this subject and then it's over. There are 3 cue makers right now (besides me) who are making cue's with similar ringwork and using different kinds of woods, not including Sugar tree. Now I've never seen, or heard of them getting one bad word, or people saying they are coping sugartrees, just comments like WOW, and great work, ext.......now why are people coming out of the wood work to say things like this to me?
And as far as the ringwork goes, Some one go look at some old c & d series mcdermotts, some bluegrass cue's, and other cue's using all wood billets. They look similar. We build cue's with alot of different styles, this Is an easy cue to build, and the ringwork is easy too. The moose joint collars has been done many times, Zeiler, and quit a few others.
How many cuemaker build cues that look like Southwests? I can think of 3 cuemakers one right here in Iowa, and one in Florida, one in Arizona that have made a nice living on SW copies. How many cuemakers build cue's with 4 points and 4 venners, and a solid buttsleeve and a delarin buttcap? They are all copying. A lot of cuemakers are making copies of Tads right now, and nothing but nice things are being said. The only things that really haven't been done are different inlay work and materials.
It would be one thing if I started to only build cue's in this style, but I'm not. This is just one style that I can do. If cuemakers could only build a cue with ringwork, inlays, points, woods, ect....that they designed or came up with, there would only be a hand full of cuemakers.
Yes, This cue was inspired by Sugartree, not as a slap in the face or hey I can make money off copies. More as a "hey, I really like your designs, and thank you for making dark shafts ok to use, and bringing some woods not commonly used to become ok to use". People are requesting ugly woods that hit great, he's changed the way alot of people think when ordering cue's.
Thanks Eric, you are an inovator, and a leader to put the "play" back into playing cue.
As far as the design, well like I said, I've seen it before. Eric just made it popular.
Have a nice day.
I had a discussion with another AZ'er about this cue. The cues you referred to ( McDermott, Richard Harris, etc) do not, and have never had, the same type of ring design as this cue in question. I have seen hundreds of Richard Harris cues and have never seen this type of ring configuration on one of his cues. If you can provide pictures of the rings you are speaking of, please do so as I would like to see them.
The thickness of the rings and the way they are stacked are purely a Sugartree design element. You know Eric feels the same way about this and that is why he started the "Micro Rings" thread. Your argument is the same as someone saying Ron Haley copied anyone who has ever done double silver rings, and we all know that is not true.
The fact you admit to copying Eric's design throws all your rationale out the window.
I am not trying to start a flame war, believe me. Your cues look very nice and it appears you have the talent to create designs that are all your own.
The thickness of the rings and the way they are stacked are purely a Sugartree design element. You know Eric feels the same way about this and that is why he started the "Micro Rings" thread. Your argument is the same as someone saying Ron Haley copied anyone who has ever done double silver rings, and we all know that is not true.
The fact you admit to copying Eric's design throws all your rationale out the window.
I am not trying to start a flame war, believe me. Your cues look very nice and it appears you have the talent to create designs that are all your own.
Once again, What about the other couple of guy's doing the same ringwork/design, I haven't seen you throw this into there threads?
The other thing, what are you worried about? Erics name and rep. are well intact. If some one is wanting a sugartree, and willing to fork out the money, I seriously doubt that there going to say, "huh" I can get a Fisher for less". Like I said, I make cue's of all different designs, this is one. Call it a poor mans Sugartree if you will, but you and eric really have little to feel threatened about, I might take a sale from the secondary or highly used market, the brand new cue's you sell and Eric turns out will be bought up as soon as there avalible.
And as far as me admitting copying, I give credit where credit is due, ask Dennis Searing about that.
Have a nice day.
No I don't believe there are. Your cue is the only one I have seen with the exact ring design you copied from Eric... I have no idea who you are talking about when you say "other couple of guy's".
I am not "worried" about this, just stating my opinion.
The cue plays great 
I had the chance to try this cue out today.
I would like to point out the following points
This cue played very good straight out of the box, the tips were super pro's which i feel are too hard but thats a personal preference.
Its feedback is very good, solid feel with good feedback. The shaft has a great taper, not soft yet not too stiff. It moves the white around the table very easily.
I would like to say that Mr Fisher you build a great cue, i would buy one and use it as my daily player. I think Blowfish has found another hidden treasure, a great cue and a pleasure to use.
I think Mr Fisher should get some more respect from the board for building great cues
Roy
I had the chance to try this cue out today.
I would like to point out the following points
- Great Quality of wood
- Nice clear finish
- Good balance
- Great shaft quality
This cue played very good straight out of the box, the tips were super pro's which i feel are too hard but thats a personal preference.
Its feedback is very good, solid feel with good feedback. The shaft has a great taper, not soft yet not too stiff. It moves the white around the table very easily.
I would like to say that Mr Fisher you build a great cue, i would buy one and use it as my daily player. I think Blowfish has found another hidden treasure, a great cue and a pleasure to use.
I think Mr Fisher should get some more respect from the board for building great cues
Roy
From another thread regarding this cue:
I'm attaching some pictures of some similar ringwork done by other cuemakers some time ago. They are not 100% precise duplicates. There are some variations... ie, color, measurements, material, etc.
I guess the confusion I have is whether or not it is fair to say that ringwork like this is purely or solely Eric Crisp in nature. What I mean is, if other cuemakers are doing rings of a similar design, and the ONLY difference is color choice or material choice, or even measurements that are as minor as 1/18,000th of an inch, etc., is it really fair to say that by tweaking a pre-existing design so slightly that you can then make it your signature design?
If so, then there are a TON of cuemakers out there who can copyright their takes on South West ringwork, or the Szam stitch ring, or even the Bushka ring.
Like Worminator... not trying to start a flame here. Just saying that its a pretty cue and while its similar to a Sugartree, the design is fairly simple. So it would be kinda hard to take a plain jane with rings that others have done, and claim it as "100% Eric Crisp". No?
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What about this situation (used solely as an example with no names)....
Let's say I see a cue online here that has a specific design I really like so I want him to build me a cue that matches it with maybe a tweak or two in it. I talk to that cuemaker on the phone and he is a complete pr*ck to me so there is no way in hell I am going to order the cue from him. Now I have the problem of who else is going to be able to make me that cue design I want with specific materials/patterns etc? Can another cue maker not make me that design because that first cuemaker has "sole rights" to the ring type, veneer colors, ivory pattern, the list goes on etc...? Am I Sh*t out of luck now? That doesn't seem right even though the example may seem extreme IMO...
Let's say I see a cue online here that has a specific design I really like so I want him to build me a cue that matches it with maybe a tweak or two in it. I talk to that cuemaker on the phone and he is a complete pr*ck to me so there is no way in hell I am going to order the cue from him. Now I have the problem of who else is going to be able to make me that cue design I want with specific materials/patterns etc? Can another cue maker not make me that design because that first cuemaker has "sole rights" to the ring type, veneer colors, ivory pattern, the list goes on etc...? Am I Sh*t out of luck now? That doesn't seem right even though the example may seem extreme IMO...
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This has been a very unfortunate situation for both Bryan and Eric as well, I am sure.
But they are both act like gentlemen do and I am sure that they have settled this issue between each other.
Naturally, both Jamie and Mia and everyone are perfectly entitled to voicing their opinions and points of views, but my take on this is that this issue has been on the headlines for a little bit too long.
This is something that we see dozens of examples for during each month, here on AZB and elsewhere too.
And should anyone want me to bring examples, I will do a search for you and show examples for this.
And will also say, that I don't think that this is a bad thing, as long as it isn't up to perfect exact copies and matches. Paul Mottey has been fond of Gus Szamboti's cues and has come out with very similar designs, still he is one of the very best cue makers with thousands of peers and respectors.
This is my opinion and I think that Eric should be very-very proud of his work as his style has created a base of followers and peers big enough, that he himself cannot build enough cues to supply this demand and that he could create something that will (or has already) become a memorable design and sight - and only a handful of cue makers have done that so far.
Hats off to Eric for this and also for Bryan for standing out and not hiding away.
But they are both act like gentlemen do and I am sure that they have settled this issue between each other.
Naturally, both Jamie and Mia and everyone are perfectly entitled to voicing their opinions and points of views, but my take on this is that this issue has been on the headlines for a little bit too long.
This is something that we see dozens of examples for during each month, here on AZB and elsewhere too.
And should anyone want me to bring examples, I will do a search for you and show examples for this.
And will also say, that I don't think that this is a bad thing, as long as it isn't up to perfect exact copies and matches. Paul Mottey has been fond of Gus Szamboti's cues and has come out with very similar designs, still he is one of the very best cue makers with thousands of peers and respectors.
This is my opinion and I think that Eric should be very-very proud of his work as his style has created a base of followers and peers big enough, that he himself cannot build enough cues to supply this demand and that he could create something that will (or has already) become a memorable design and sight - and only a handful of cue makers have done that so far.
Hats off to Eric for this and also for Bryan for standing out and not hiding away.
My hats off to Bryan for making this cue. It's a lovely cue. The woods used were up on my alley. You can see my collection and this cue fits right in. I didn't order this cue to be a Sugartree copy. Bryan posted up some unfinished cues for sale and it caught my eye. Not only this cue, but some others. I discussed with Bryan and we came to a deal.
This cue plays very well out of the box. As per my buddy Roy said above, this cue is made to play. This weekend, one of the shafts will get an experimental tip (will reveal later). I will not hesitate to get another cue from Bryan.
Bryan, I thank you for making me this cue.
This cue plays very well out of the box. As per my buddy Roy said above, this cue is made to play. This weekend, one of the shafts will get an experimental tip (will reveal later). I will not hesitate to get another cue from Bryan.
Bryan, I thank you for making me this cue.
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This is a lame reason to believe that cues are "overhyped" when you have never even picked up one of his cues. I can honestly say that I believe lots of people think the way you do because they go through a ton of cues and there is no significant difference. Pick up a Sugartree or a Zylr and you will see what I am talking about. They are in a class of their own as far as hit goes over anything I have ever tried.
"I just did a quick search and only 1 forum member had mentioned Erics cues prior to 2006. (poolschool)." So what no one has ever heard of him on here before 2006. We are very lucky today that the internet is available for worldwide communication so that the great news travels fast. Just because someone has only been building cues for x number of years doesn't mean that they are overhyped does it? Get one of his 8 pointers and take a look at the points for yourself and see how much they are off. Then take a few shots with it and see what you think. This will give you a very good idea of why they fetch the prices they do. Bashing someone for building a damn good cue when you haven't even tried one just doesn't make lots of sense to me. If the prices have increased it is because he is doing something right obviously. Again the cue itself says all of this. It may take a while to get one but he doesn't rush shit like lots of other makers in pool that just want the quick buck and actually doesn't do it for the money. You can bet your ass it will be top knotch when you recieve it. This is all a very good thing for the owner of the cue, you know? Not trying to do a home invasion on this thread either
. Enjoy the cue blowfish, you have quite a few beauty's in your avatar.
This is a lame reason to believe that cues are "overhyped" when you have never even picked up one of his cues. I can honestly say that I believe lots of people think the way you do because they go through a ton of cues and there is no significant difference. Pick up a Sugartree or a Zylr and you will see what I am talking about. They are in a class of their own as far as hit goes over anything I have ever tried.
"I just did a quick search and only 1 forum member had mentioned Erics cues prior to 2006. (poolschool)." So what no one has ever heard of him on here before 2006. We are very lucky today that the internet is available for worldwide communication so that the great news travels fast. Just because someone has only been building cues for x number of years doesn't mean that they are overhyped does it? Get one of his 8 pointers and take a look at the points for yourself and see how much they are off. Then take a few shots with it and see what you think. This will give you a very good idea of why they fetch the prices they do. Bashing someone for building a damn good cue when you haven't even tried one just doesn't make lots of sense to me. If the prices have increased it is because he is doing something right obviously. Again the cue itself says all of this. It may take a while to get one but he doesn't rush shit like lots of other makers in pool that just want the quick buck and actually doesn't do it for the money. You can bet your ass it will be top knotch when you recieve it. This is all a very good thing for the owner of the cue, you know? Not trying to do a home invasion on this thread either
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Wow talk about stealing someones wind. This thread went down hill very fast. Bad form not to take it to a separate thread.
Josh
Josh
May be a design element he is using but Im 110 per cent positive he was not the first to use it. Mark Bear did the same thing in 2004 or 2005. I seriously doubt Mark copied Eric.
Were not talking about building a space shuttle here. Nearly any first year cuemaker could do the same ring and do it just as well.
I never meant to start a flame here. I just intended to question whether it was fair to claim that the ringwork was purely Eric Crisp's given its simplicity and the fact that it has been done before by other cuemakers (at least in some variation). I didn't agree with people accusing Bryan of stealing a design for the sole purpose of capitalizing on the success of another. Especially when the design in question was a pretty simple one that had little to no proprietary features. (That was why I posted pics of similar rings from cuemakers that have been around longer than Eric.) And that is not to knock Eric either. I love the way his cues play.
I applaud Bryan for making an awesome looking cue.
Bryan, my apologies for creating trouble in your thread. I was actually trying to help. I didn't mean to 'hijack' the thread.
The cue is SWEET! And I'm sure Blowfish is/will be very happy to have it!
You did a great job. That cue, and many of the others you have posted in the past few weeks are beautiful. Hats off to you.
I applaud Bryan for making an awesome looking cue.
Bryan, my apologies for creating trouble in your thread. I was actually trying to help. I didn't mean to 'hijack' the thread.
The cue is SWEET! And I'm sure Blowfish is/will be very happy to have it!
You did a great job. That cue, and many of the others you have posted in the past few weeks are beautiful. Hats off to you.