One day, Just maybe sooner than some may think...
Getting the AZBilliards Forum's "STAMP of APPROVAL" might be worth something.
Getting the AZBilliards Forum's "STAMP of APPROVAL" might be worth something.
Questions I would like to ask......Galveston Big Money Event.
- Thread starter Bigtruck
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JoeyA...What is there to defend against? They haven't said one DAMN thing yet. The silence about their "proposed" event is deafening, and will result in less people attending than might otherwise go...particularly from long distance. I think Jay's comment is right on target. If you spoke with them in Vegas, like I did, you know that they were arrogant (particularly about posters on this site), boastful (with nothing to back it up), and still not willing to answer questions that need to be answered.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Personally, if I were a promoter or a professional pool player, I would not post on this forum unless I fully understood the medium, the audience and had the skills and time to respond and defend myself.
JoeyA
If they had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. As it is, the bulk of the questions folks have, are still unanswered on their website and there have been no press releases.
There are certain Pro players and A players that can be counted on to be at pretty much any tournament that pays higher than a regional event. Outside of those folks, getting the "droves" to come out is a much more difficult process.
There are more of "us" (the working stiff amateurs with work, & family obligations) than there are of pro players that can be counted on to be at this tournament. The pro players will help bring in a few others but not enough to make a difference. The DCC, SBE, & BCAPL events cater to "us" and the pro's being there are a bonus.
Mark Griffin is about as successful as you can get in the pool world and is respected and trusted by most - pro & amateur. With that being said, ask him how the Qlympics fared. If he couldn't get more than a few outside of the ones that are always at an event, how hard of a time do you think these folks in Galveston are going to have, especially when they turn their nose up at the group of people they actually need/want to have at their event?
ummm. Let me think...
Hold on a second.
It'll come to me...
Because they want a lot of pool players to attend their event?
Just a shot in the dark
Lou Figueroa
has anyone seen
any of those
around here?
Like it or not, the pros are going to show up. It is too big of a payday for them to pass it up. The amateurs will probably show up in droves as well.
As to AZBilliards tainting the feeling of the promoters for this event: I think you may be right. It seems that the brain pool on AZBilliards has always been rather high and sometimes I think it is AZ Billiards that just comes off as arrogant to those who don't follow the Main Forum on a regular basis.
Also, just as a member I see posts that seem far more negative than they need to be but everyone's entitled to their opinion so that's not going to change.
Even though most people have their own agenda, AZBilliards presents a cross-section of the pool world, not just nationally but internationally and their consensus of opinion is worth noting.
Personally, if I were a promoter or a professional pool player, I would not post on this forum unless I fully understood the medium, the audience and had the skills and time to respond and defend myself.
This forum is better left to those who talk about pool, talk about doing things for pool and the doers of pool should just check in briefly to keep themselves informed about what the talkers say and this will help them keep their scalp in tact and they can continue on with their plans with additional perspectives to ponder.
JoeyA
Last I checked, asking legitimate questions before you spend your time and dough is not being negative, IMO.
Lou Figueroa
or did I miss
that memo?
I truly hope they do good. Of course I also hoped they'd come here and answer a few simple questions and you can see how that went
Lou Figueroa
Galveston vs Qlympics
UrackmIcrackm said: "Mark Griffin is about as successful as you can get in the pool world and is respected and trusted by most - pro & amateur. With that being said, ask him how the Qlympics fared. If he couldn't get more than a few outside of the ones that are always at an event, how hard of a time do you think these folks in Galveston are going to have, especially when they turn their nose up at the group of people they actually need/want to have at their event?"
First of all thanks for the kind words. We have had this ongoing discussion in our office. I thought that I would get to hold onto the 'biggest loss in a pool event' for a few years. I lost over $80,000 on the Qlympics.
I think the Galveston event is liable to make me look like a cheapskate. LOL.
I really do wish them the best - but they seem to go out of their way to make it hard to plan for the event. I know everyone will say 'we have a 100 teams' and all that. But that usually means a 100 teams SAID they would be there.
I also agree that the AZ crowd can be very harsh - but sometimes there is more emotion than intelligence floating around. I usually respect almost anything a person says if there is just a 'touch' of logic involved.
I am involved another thread on AZ, and some of the comments on the 'phenolic tips' threads even defy logic.
I am not trying to be sarcastic or arrogant. Just please think about what you type and say to the world. Many people REALLY try to make the game better and to have to fade some of the thoughts and comments can try anyone's patience.
Best of Luck in pool to everyone - and hold your breath - there are a couple of announcements coming - might be 4-6 weeks or so - but you WILL like them!!!
Mark Griffin
CSI-BCAPL-USAPL-NCS
US Bar Table Championship
Shootout and the Sands (Aug 14-23)
Jay Swanson Memorial 9-Ball
(damn - no wonder I am always tired!!!)
UrackmIcrackm said: "Mark Griffin is about as successful as you can get in the pool world and is respected and trusted by most - pro & amateur. With that being said, ask him how the Qlympics fared. If he couldn't get more than a few outside of the ones that are always at an event, how hard of a time do you think these folks in Galveston are going to have, especially when they turn their nose up at the group of people they actually need/want to have at their event?"
First of all thanks for the kind words. We have had this ongoing discussion in our office. I thought that I would get to hold onto the 'biggest loss in a pool event' for a few years. I lost over $80,000 on the Qlympics.
I think the Galveston event is liable to make me look like a cheapskate. LOL.
I really do wish them the best - but they seem to go out of their way to make it hard to plan for the event. I know everyone will say 'we have a 100 teams' and all that. But that usually means a 100 teams SAID they would be there.
I also agree that the AZ crowd can be very harsh - but sometimes there is more emotion than intelligence floating around. I usually respect almost anything a person says if there is just a 'touch' of logic involved.
I am involved another thread on AZ, and some of the comments on the 'phenolic tips' threads even defy logic.
I am not trying to be sarcastic or arrogant. Just please think about what you type and say to the world. Many people REALLY try to make the game better and to have to fade some of the thoughts and comments can try anyone's patience.
Best of Luck in pool to everyone - and hold your breath - there are a couple of announcements coming - might be 4-6 weeks or so - but you WILL like them!!!
Mark Griffin
CSI-BCAPL-USAPL-NCS
US Bar Table Championship
Shootout and the Sands (Aug 14-23)
Jay Swanson Memorial 9-Ball
(damn - no wonder I am always tired!!!)
First of all I see very little "negativity" on this thread anywhere. What I do see is a lot of legitimate questions about a major pool event being promoted by a new promoter to the pool scene. How much more "normal" can something get I don't know.
It is obvious there is bias one way or the other about this event. Some people think it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and others think it is ill conceived and destined to fail. Probably the reality is that it will fall somewhere in between these two extremes. I would be surprised if it didn't happen, but that remains a possibility. I just hope they don't pull the plug (ala Trudough) without paying all the agreed upon prize monies.
One thing I don't understand, as a long time promoter of pool tourneys, is why they don't come on here and talk about their event. Other promoters (GSBT, Hopkins, Dragon etc.) have all used this forum very effectivley to promote their events. One thing I do know for sure is that in the promotion game the key word is PROMOTE! PROMOTE! PROMOTE! Anywhere and everywhere you can! Best of all it's free on here and you are definitely reaching your target audience. It is a pool tournament after all, and this forum is full of pool players who support events just like this one. HELLO!!!
It is obvious there is bias one way or the other about this event. Some people think it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and others think it is ill conceived and destined to fail. Probably the reality is that it will fall somewhere in between these two extremes. I would be surprised if it didn't happen, but that remains a possibility. I just hope they don't pull the plug (ala Trudough) without paying all the agreed upon prize monies.
One thing I don't understand, as a long time promoter of pool tourneys, is why they don't come on here and talk about their event. Other promoters (GSBT, Hopkins, Dragon etc.) have all used this forum very effectivley to promote their events. One thing I do know for sure is that in the promotion game the key word is PROMOTE! PROMOTE! PROMOTE! Anywhere and everywhere you can! Best of all it's free on here and you are definitely reaching your target audience. It is a pool tournament after all, and this forum is full of pool players who support events just like this one. HELLO!!!
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I have offered to run a spot on my youtube channel to promote it. I have about 3000 subscribers and I get about 3500 views per day. They have not responded and that doesn't bother me. I would love to see them run some ads in the houston media and have yet to see anything.
I called into a sports radio show here in houston to talk up the event. Rich Lord and John Mcclain were really interested to hear about it and they want me to call back in August to talk more about the tournament.
I think any PR is good PR but if they don't want to utilize the forum that's their business. I for one wish them all the luck and I hope the event is successful. I plan on sweating the tournament and spending some money while I'm their.
I called into a sports radio show here in houston to talk up the event. Rich Lord and John Mcclain were really interested to hear about it and they want me to call back in August to talk more about the tournament.
I think any PR is good PR but if they don't want to utilize the forum that's their business. I for one wish them all the luck and I hope the event is successful. I plan on sweating the tournament and spending some money while I'm their.
yeah
Jay,
Considering that they are having a bunch of amateur events and that I am reasonably sure that the lease on the venue is tied to filling a certain number of rooms you would think that they would be all over promotion, especially free promotion. Seems like the opposite is true and that the people that try to support them on here are left hung out to dry when the Galveston gang doesn't follow through with what they have told others they would do.
Beyond my understanding but it ain't my rodeo!
Hu
Jay,
Considering that they are having a bunch of amateur events and that I am reasonably sure that the lease on the venue is tied to filling a certain number of rooms you would think that they would be all over promotion, especially free promotion. Seems like the opposite is true and that the people that try to support them on here are left hung out to dry when the Galveston gang doesn't follow through with what they have told others they would do.
Beyond my understanding but it ain't my rodeo!
Hu
The other thing that I think is worth mentioning (has been said before) is that many on this board were 100% convinced that the IPT was for real. We all know how that played out. There are other who hate the UPA for non payment. Also there has been a number of rumored tournaments and tours that did not come to fruition. Hopefully the organizers of this event will consider the misfortunes of the past several years when they read a post that seams a little negative. There's plenty of reasons to ask questions. The IPT ripped the hearts out of plenty of people.
I'm not going to this event so I should keep my mouth shut...but I won't. There are too many holes in this tournament that are not answered anywhere that I have found. As far as a press release in a pool rag goes, they will not drill the promoter with tough questions as long as the promotor takes out an ad in said rag. (ala IPT) If everything is cool come on a AZ stream with a chat to answer questions with a mod. If people see everything is as the promotor says, then they will play, come to watch, come to sweat it, and tell others it's what the web site says it is. So far I see another Million $$ tournament that ain't. JMHO. I really do hope it goes off, and it is a major tournament for years to come. But right now all I see is a promotor that thinks all you need is money and they will come...NOT. Johnnyt
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...and that guy was a legitimate multimillionaire! These guys just have a wealthy backer (which may not be bad)!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Ray...All the word legitimate is meant to mean, is that Trudeau actually HAD true dough...not saying anything about how he achieved getting it! 
He just tried to go TOO big, all at once (he did, however, promote the heck out of the IPT...something that, sadly, is not happening here...yet).
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
...not saying anything about how he achieved getting it! He just tried to go TOO big, all at once (he did, however, promote the heck out of the IPT...something that, sadly, is not happening here...yet).Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Well.......let's just say multimillionaire.
Ray
Ray...All the word legitimate is meant to mean, is that Trudeau actually HAD true dough
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
He was a very good promoter.
Ray
Ray...All the word legitimate is meant to mean, is that Trudeau actually HAD true dough
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I agree with this statement. If only he would have put up purses half as big, who knows how it would have turned out. Johnnyt
I suppose I'm being cynical or negative but their refusal to participate in the az discussions makes me suspicious.
It makes me suspect they don't have proper answers to the questions the pool players on this forum have asked and may ask. It makes me think that maybe they don't have anyone on their team that knows about pool or pool tournaments.
It makes me suspect they don't have proper answers to the questions the pool players on this forum have asked and may ask. It makes me think that maybe they don't have anyone on their team that knows about pool or pool tournaments.