Did anyone read Danny Diliberto's "Road Player"? He made it sound common place to dump. It's no wonder we see so many luke warm challenge matches when the purse is being cut up. There are no circumstances that justify a dump.
Dumping money matches !
- Thread starter houmatroy
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On the Galveston chat 2 hours ago someone asked if player x has ever been known to dump, and lo and behold, you should have seen the righteous indignation exhibited in the answers from 6 or 7 posters. I caught only the end of the match, but everyone noted that 'x' was not playing up to his reputation. His opponent played very well. Only thing is player 'x' has been rumored to have dumped in the past. Don't want to say any more, because how are you going to know?
Damn computers.........
I only need one guess....
So who was it? Was it a challenge match or a gambling match?
it was a gambling match..challenge match wouldn't matter if both players decided to chop 50/50...nobody was getting thrown under the bus in the challenge matches
Off the top of my head:
The winning player owed the loser money. Happens all the time.
The winning player was giving the losing player a walking stick.
My opinion on this type of situation is if there is enough evidence to talk about it in public then whoever is putting it out there ought to name names and tell the whole story.
The problem is it always....and I mean damn near always goes back to "I heard from someone who saw something"
There is one way to know if a match was dumped and that is if you are in on it or someone who was flat out tells you. Other than that it is just an opinion. I am well aware of what sometimes happens and I am also aware that way too many people are ready to jump and say "Dump" without being willing to commit all the way and name names.
You said it was a member here who was involved. So now everyone is going to questioning every gambler/member who is down in Galveston. Just say the name and let whoever it is defend themselves. This type of thing does no good for anyone. If you are not going to tell the community who to look out for what is the point?
Nobody gets thrown under the bus in the challenge matches, but I still dont like the splits. I understand why the pros do it, and am not saying its wrong. But I dont think they play as hard when they already know how much they are getting and then the fans lose.
there was only 1 big money match that had alot of controversy from alot of different angles...i'd rather talk about why it's bad for pool then get into a pissing contest with anybody....like i said before i use to put alot of money in the gambling schene but this kind of thing has kept my wallet more tightly closed for sure..I'm trying to get a big money match put together right now with Gary & Jessie on a barbox...U know why those two...cuz I know the game will be legit and the better player that day will get the money no matter which 1 wins..
Where is vette?
This is only my opinion, but dumping does take place-correct? If it does then it would follow that it would more prevalent in matches involving the top players where big money is involved. And the top players who dump are good enough to make it look like dogging it. So there's not going to be a whole lot of "evidence" one can point to and say dump, rather there may be only one or two shots that raise a 'red flag', that just don't fit, and which lets the opponent magically dominate the game. I was dumped once, and I knew it from about half-way thru the game, and there was nothing I could do. It got to where I thought to myself-o.k., I bet he leaves the ball right there, something he had never done when I played him, and sure enough he did, and the other guy ran 5 balls. It was confirmed a few years later by a friend of the dumper. You have to be coldly analytical to ferret out the few shreds of 'evidence' available. And just because someone is a revered legend doesn't mean he'd never dump-not in this economy.
I understand. My post was not meant as a shot at you. This type of thread happens from time to time and I guess I just would like people to either spill it or keep it private. No one likes business being done.
The fact that we even have to think it about in the least both saddens and pisses me off.
Agreed for the most part...Keepin it private is why pool is where it is today..I came out publicly without naming names..but if the named ones want ot talk to me i put my cell number out on here numerous times..and would do again..if need be...player A has money & there is no reason for him to owe player B...well my friend sees player A giving player B a big chunk of money after their match well.I call foul....Should not even be a saver if player B is getting staked..no matter what....That do or die shot might not seem so crucial if u know u getting paid..plus u owe it to the person or persons that had faith enuf in u to put u in the box in the 1st place..All i'm tryng to get across is to get rid of the smell...u have to get to the source of the smell...if u got a dead possum under your house..you can spray all the smell goods you want & it won't do u no good till u get rid of the possum...I don't hate the player...but i do hate the game !
Everybody who has been involved in the pool scene for more than a minute knows that "business" can happen in a money match. All this thread does is remind us of that fact. I don't know what other purpose it serves.
I've done a lot of side betting on matches (for quite a bit more than I will bet online) and staked numerous players. What you learn over the years is to pick your spots and your players carefully. It's like anything else in life. "Let the buyer beware." How many rich and famous people lost millions investing with Bernie Madoff and Allen Stanford? They got dumped too, BIG TIME!
Years ago I was buying into some real estate limited partnerships. Shares were 10K each. I bought into several deals and they went okay. Usually the properties got sold within two years and we would make 40-50% return on our money. On one deal, after it was over the general partner was very slow to pay the limited partners. He kept asking everyone to reinvest our money with him. I didn't have a good feeling about this guy and called his office and asked to get my money (three months after the sale closed). He kept stalling me.
I finally went to his office and waited to see him for two hours. He finally opened the door to tell his secretary something and I walked right in. I sat down at his desk and told him I was there to get my money (over 14K). He told me not to worry, it was coming. I told him I was going to sit right there until I got it - TODAY! We had a slightly heated exchange where I told him in no uncertain terms that I was not interested in reinvesting with him. I made it very clear I was tired of waiting for my money and I wanted it today, and I wasn't leaving until I got it.
Guess what - I GOT PAID! Later on I heard many of the partners got stiffed and just took a tax write-off. They were a lot wealthier than me. I didn't need the write-off. I needed the cash. My point being is that there are all kinds of "dump artists" and some of them wear suits and don't play pool.
I've done a lot of side betting on matches (for quite a bit more than I will bet online) and staked numerous players. What you learn over the years is to pick your spots and your players carefully. It's like anything else in life. "Let the buyer beware." How many rich and famous people lost millions investing with Bernie Madoff and Allen Stanford? They got dumped too, BIG TIME!
Years ago I was buying into some real estate limited partnerships. Shares were 10K each. I bought into several deals and they went okay. Usually the properties got sold within two years and we would make 40-50% return on our money. On one deal, after it was over the general partner was very slow to pay the limited partners. He kept asking everyone to reinvest our money with him. I didn't have a good feeling about this guy and called his office and asked to get my money (three months after the sale closed). He kept stalling me.
I finally went to his office and waited to see him for two hours. He finally opened the door to tell his secretary something and I walked right in. I sat down at his desk and told him I was there to get my money (over 14K). He told me not to worry, it was coming. I told him I was going to sit right there until I got it - TODAY! We had a slightly heated exchange where I told him in no uncertain terms that I was not interested in reinvesting with him. I made it very clear I was tired of waiting for my money and I wanted it today, and I wasn't leaving until I got it.
Guess what - I GOT PAID! Later on I heard many of the partners got stiffed and just took a tax write-off. They were a lot wealthier than me. I didn't need the write-off. I needed the cash. My point being is that there are all kinds of "dump artists" and some of them wear suits and don't play pool.
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