Ripped off by Realkingcobra anyone?

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Glen is the best, didn't you hear him?

He is the best, just ask him.

I have met about 6 people in my life like Glen. I call them "one uppers" No matter what you have done in your own life, guys like Glen have done it bigger and better.

It is as if these "one uppers" have to tell the world that they are the best. They just can't seem to let there actions speak for themselves. They have to continually tell you how great they are.

Most people don't challenge a one upper on the lies they tell when talking face to face. An internet forum allows you to call them out though. A person like Glen can not stand to be wrong. It just can not happen. In his mind, the customer and everyone that deals with him, should be honored.
 
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And what are you the best in the world at?

BTW...everyone he did work for says he's the best mechanic there is. He just agrees.
 
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This is not the first time Glen has shown his true side. Not that big of a deal. Maybe he does loose a few customers due to his ego. He doesn't care(remember, we customers should be honored to have the greatest pool table repair man in our homes) On a small scale his ego is a good thing. He continues to do quality work from home to home around the country all the while screaming how he is the best.

Big problem on a larger scale. People like Jay Helfert are taking notes on this type of behavior. Why hasn't Greg from Diamond ever vouched for Glen and his unbelievable skills. Isn't Glen responsible for the smart table. Glen makes it sound as if Diamond wouldn't be around if it wasn't for him. If I owned a company and had a guy do the things Glen has said he has done, then he would be my close business partner. He would not be doing installs. Even when Glen called them out, Greg never said please Glen don't stop installing our tables.

Glen you are good at what you do.

Just pay the man his money
 
If/when someone is wrong, dogs it, is stooopid, screws the pooch, etc., the simplist and BEST thing to do is MANUP, own your action(s)/repercussions and take immediate corrective action.

As a society we, on the rare occasion we receive it, handle the truth well and are foregiving to a fault.

Any other action will exacerbate an already tenuous situation.
 
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Real smart Glen! Remember there are tons of table mechanics,no one is irreplaceable.You are still cracking wise after screwing up your rep and not paying the Dr.If the work dries up then maybe you will wise up.

There may be tons of table mechanics but damn few good ones, and probably none as good as Glen.
 
If/when someone is wrong, dogs it, is stooopid, screws the pooch, etc., the simplist and BEST thing to do is MANUP, own your action(s)/repercussions and take immediate corrective action.

As a society we, on the rare occasion we receive it, handle the truth well and are foregiving to a fault.

Any other action will exacerbate an already tenuous situation.

Good to see you back, Adam.
 
After reading through the whole thread, I would definitely call upon RKC to do my table, if I had one. I can't wait get a table so I can meet you!

Pfft, get in line, he had about 10 more interested customers pipe up on this thread, which is quite comical. No X-Mas for Glen, back to work!
 
Glen is the best, didn't you hear him?

He is the best, just ask him.

I have met about 6 people in my life like Glen. I call them "one uppers" No matter what you have done in your own life, guys like Glen have done it bigger and better.

It is as if these "one uppers" have to tell the world that they are the best. They just can't seem to let there actions speak for themselves. They have to continually tell you how great they are.

Most people don't challenge a one upper on the lies they tell when talking face to face. An internet forum allows you to call them out though. A person like Glen can not stand to be wrong. It just can not happen. In his mind, the customer and everyone that deals with him, should be honored.
Funny, I don't ever recall posting here on AZB that I'm the "best" mechanic there is, BUT I have said that what I'd like to do is raise the level of other mechanics up to a higher standard of craftmanship by teaching them how to do better work...are you jealous of that or what? I'm not interested in being the "best"...I'm only interested in being the best that I can be, and maybe helping others along the way....so stick that in your pipe and smoke it....you DON"T know me from Adam:wink:
 
The point of all this is that it should never have gotten to the point where one person felt compelled to make the transaction details public.

Many great craftsmen and women are terrible business people. Possibly most of them.

The other day I read a profile of the person who owns Orange County Choppers, Paul Teutel I think. This man said that he is was not a mechanic, not a bike builder, he owned a successful steel business and was supplying a lot of steel to local bike builders and ended up buying one of the bike shops, or something like that. He then applied his business lessons to the bike shop and built a much larger business.

The best move is indeed to be humble and apologize for the delay and rectify the situation immediately. Almost everyone understands that things happen for whatever reason and they tend to be much more forgiving when people make a genuine effort to take of things and move on.

It should also be noted that it's not exactly correct to say that a person is not out anything when their money has been held for a long time. Money is used to do things and when a person is deprived of it's use then their ability to do things that require that money are taken away. This person who has been deprived of their $3000 could have perhaps used that money to invest in other things such a cue they wanted, a car for their children, a new roof, stocks, etc.... Depriving them of this money is the same as stealing opportunities away from them.

If the shoe were on the other foot and the table mechanic needed the $3000 to get down the road, fix his truck, purchase inventory at a better price through a bigger buy, etc.... then he would understand fully what the effect of not having the money he was owed would be.
 
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If the shoe were on the other foot and the table mechanic needed the $3000 to get down the road, fix his truck, purchase inventory at a better price through a bigger buy, etc.... then he would understand fully what the effect of not having the money he was owed would be.

Yes, and we would have heard about it long before the year was up.
 
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Gotta love when people owe people money and think their are somehow entitled to pay at their leisure or just flat out rob them by not making any effort to pay.
And when they get called on it, they actually have the nerve to try and justify it. :rolleyes:
What type of cow poop is that?

I guess he's lucky that he's actually dealing with someone so patient who waited so long, as i know several people where poop like that doesn't fly, and they not only would have recovered what was owed to them rather quickly, but most likely, they would have recovered a lot of other stuff that wasn't theirs, plus broken a few bones on top of it.

3K for that amount of time?
Seriously?

Get a grip man, that's just criminal.
 
The peanut gallery ALWAYS has something to say....I love it here:grin: Everything will turn out right though and I won't even charge a fee for chasing after lost money and recovering it:grin:...LOL Even with nothing in writing, I'm not the one to screw someone over, I'm the person that bends over backwards to make sure things are right:grin:

Glen

PS. I know, some of you just have to add more comments, but this thread is dead.

was any thing in writing for you to deliver the table to him when he bought it or just your word. sounds like hes not charging you for a table which was lost to him for over a year. anything and that is anything he does regarding this now cant be wrong.if it was in writing would that be worth something meaning your word is not.if you take a job do it.
 
...I predict this thread goes to 5,000 hits by nightfall. Any takers? :o

I'm a pretty good thread handicapper. :wink:

This thread reminds me of a story about Little Pete, a local pool regular in my neck of the woods.

When I first met Keith McCready, we were hanging out in a pool room in Baltimore called Hot Shots which, like so many pool rooms in recent times, is no longer in existence. :(

I was sweating some action one night at Hot Shots, and a local friend of mine, Little Pete, came over and sat next to me. The conversation soon went to action spots where I could take Keith to make a score. He said he'd steer me to some action spots, if I'd cut him in on 10 percent of our winnings. Me being out of pool for a decade or two, I said sure.

As an side but an important part of this story, I had not realized that Keith had just traveled to Maryland from the Derby City Classic with Cliff Joyner and Jose Parica by car.

One of the spots Little Pete told me about was an unnamed place in West Virginia. When I told Keith about this West Virginia joint, Keith told me that Jose, Cliff, and he had just shot pool there en route to Maryland. In fact, Keith said he and the owner got down, with Keith winning a dime or two, if my memory serves me right. :wink:

So a month or two later, when time allowed, we went on the road for a weekend trip. Keith wanted to go back to West Virginia because he thought the owner would give him a game again. He got along well with the owner, and the owner would bet big, if he got the right spot. Getting the spot right was tough because the owner wanted a lot of weight, especially since Keith had already defeated him with a spot previously. :eek:

Action men, though, sometimes get this nostrils wide open to get in action and don't evaluate their chances properly. After a back-and-forth colloquy, the two men played some one-hole for $100 a game. A nickel later, the owner pulled up, realizing he just couldn't play up to par this day. We stayed the rest of the weekend, partying at the joint with the regulars and the owner. Even though he got beat, he still treated us like welcome guests. :smile:

Well, fast forward a month or so later, and I found myself back at Hot Shots in Baltimore. Little Pete came over and sat with me again. I told him about a few scores Keith made, some good, some bad, and then Little Pete said, "Well, where's my cut?" I said, "What cut?" He said, "I want my 10 percent, 50 bucks, for the West Virginia spot I steered you to." I said, "Pete, Keith had already been there and played the guy before. When we spoke, I didn't know that." Pete demanded his money and began to get irate with me. :mad:

Herein lies a story where, upon first blush, you may think Pete is entitled to his dough, hearing Pete's side of the story. What do you think? Should he have gotten paid, or was I right to think he didn't deserve a 10-percent steer fee? What say you, my august readers of this pool forum? :grin:
 
My God, Glen... Fact of the matter is you spent money that was not yours to spend. You agreed to complete the transaction and did not uphold your end. It's been the greater part of a year and you have told the person asking "when I get it together it's your's", only it's been his this entire time.

The least that you could do is be a bit more humble and admit your screw up. What you fail to realize is that for each one of the "peanut gallery" that posts, there are 10 others that are reading this as well...

And while there is only "one" of you, there are many "like you" out there that will show a bit more respect to the customer.



Its hurt by me.I will never use your services.All you have is excuses and now are making a joke of it.A year to get this guy his money,give me a break.




I agree with them. I know many others do. This guy is dishonest, I heard his side of the story as well and still a year with someones money, and basically saying "ILL GET TO IT WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT" , forget this guy, hes a scumbag.


Setting up a table good and being an asshole cancel eachother out. I hope you lose a lot of business.
 
I'm a pretty good thread handicapper. :wink:

This thread reminds me of a story about Little Pete, a local pool regular in my neck of the woods.

When I first met Keith McCready, we were hanging out in a pool room in Baltimore called Hot Shots which, like so many pool rooms in recent times, is no longer in existence. :(

I was sweating some action one night at Hot Shots, and a local friend of mine, Little Pete, came over and sat next to me. The conversation soon went to action spots where I could take Keith to make a score. He said he'd steer me to some action spots, if I'd cut him in on 10 percent of our winnings. Me being out of pool for a decade or two, I said sure.

As an side but an important part of this story, I had not realized that Keith had just traveled to Maryland from the Derby City Classic with Cliff Joyner and Jose Parica by car.

One of the spots Little Pete told me about was an unnamed place in West Virginia. When I told Keith about this West Virginia joint, Keith told me that Jose, Cliff, and he had just shot pool there en route to Maryland. In fact, Keith said he and the owner got down, with Keith winning a dime or two, if my memory serves me right. :wink:

So a month or two later, when time allowed, we went on the road for a weekend trip. Keith wanted to go back to West Virginia because he thought the owner would give him a game again. He got along well with the owner, and the owner would bet big, if he got the right spot. Getting the spot right was tough because the owner wanted a lot of weight, especially since Keith had already defeated him with a spot previously. :eek:

Action men, though, sometimes get this nostrils wide open to get in action and don't evaluate their chances properly. After a back-and-forth colloquy, the two men played some one-hole for $100 a game. A nickel later, the owner pulled up, realizing he just couldn't play up to par this day. We stayed the rest of the weekend, partying at the joint with the regulars and the owner. Even though he got beat, he still treated us like welcome guests. :smile:

Well, fast forward a month or so later, and I found myself back at Hot Shots in Baltimore. Little Pete came over and sat with me again. I told him about a few scores Keith made, some good, some bad, and then Little Pete said, "Well, where's my cut?" I said, "What cut?" He said, "I want my 10 percent, 50 bucks, for the West Virginia spot I steered you to." I said, "Pete, Keith had already been there and played the guy before. When we spoke, I didn't know that." Pete demanded his money and began to get irate with me. :mad:

Herein lies a story where, upon first blush, you may think Pete is entitled to his dough, hearing Pete's side of the story. What do you think? Should he have gotten paid, or was I right to think he didn't deserve a 10-percent steer fee? What say you, my august readers of this pool forum? :grin:

Thank you for the story it was very entertaining. There doesn't seem to be a good parallel here.

I believe that you should have called your steer man after Keith told you he already knew the spot and had played there. Then the steer man would know he needed to find you spots you hadn't been to. However, he still wasn't due any money even though he thought he was because the spot was already known to Keith.

Pete should know that a steer man can't send someone to a place where the player they are sending is already known UNLESS he can provide perfect information to the player on who to match up with and how to match up and for how much.

You were right. You didn't owe any jelly to the steer guy for a known spot.

Now, if someone went to the spot and picked up 3k that the owner owed Mr. McCready and the courier kept the money for 6 months......
 
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