how would you all play this shot?
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I agree with this. You have to go for it here 100%. Now, it's okay to know in the back of your mind that your approach can yield a safety but you can't favor missing. If you intend to miss, just play safe and be done with it.
This shot comes up frequently in 9ball. If you're on a 9 foot table play safe. Put the cb and ob on opposite long rails. Below the side pocket with either ball frozen hopefully. The one I prefer is to bank the 9 to the opposite short rail with a dead ball shot. I try to stick the cb as close to the short rail (frozen preferably) and the ob as close or frozen to he long rail. Both shots are easy after a little practice.
I'd go for the bank with the mentality to make it. I'd try to keep the CB on the short rail - on it is perfect.
I like to bank this shot to the side pocket. If you miss, which you probably will, it leaves the long rail safe (page 2).
Thats the shot.....you beat me to the post while I was cooking and now eating LOL..
I guess one-pocket isn't your game.
on the internet . . . on the pool table
On the internet there is no doubt that I simply shoot the straight back bank for the money, corner pocket.
On the pool table I probably still bet it all on banking the ball in the corner pocket most days. However if a particular pocket is rejecting balls or I'm just banking poorly that day or even if the shot doesn't feel right when I get down on it I'm going to try something different. Cutting is a good option but I'm probably not going to try cutting it on a tight nine footer. I like my personal odds better banking than cutting from this position. If I'm feeling shaky about the bank I'm probably feeling worse about the cut. Which safety I favor depends purely on how I am hitting balls that day.(speed control)
Hu
On the internet there is no doubt that I simply shoot the straight back bank for the money, corner pocket.
On the pool table I probably still bet it all on banking the ball in the corner pocket most days. However if a particular pocket is rejecting balls or I'm just banking poorly that day or even if the shot doesn't feel right when I get down on it I'm going to try something different. Cutting is a good option but I'm probably not going to try cutting it on a tight nine footer. I like my personal odds better banking than cutting from this position. If I'm feeling shaky about the bank I'm probably feeling worse about the cut. Which safety I favor depends purely on how I am hitting balls that day.(speed control)
Hu
I second what Drew said. You prolly don't play or watch much One Pocket.
Not that i am saying it's the right shot, but you can shoot this bank and not even reach the opposite end rail with the 9 ball.
The stroke is: Soft speed, long follow through, and about a tip of left english.
There are two different aspects of your stroke that will give VASTLY different results with the same cue tip position on the CB....
Speed of stroke
and
Length of stroke
For example...I was playing One Pocket one time, and had to bank a ball that was 6 feet away and about 1 foot from the end rail.
Using a medium soft stroke, but an EXTREMELY long follow through, I drew the cue ball further back up table than than the object ball went. This is something that lesser players would swear up and down was impossible unles sthey have seen it before.
A lot of good players I've met have no idea how to use a "slow stroke".
Russ
I'd like to hear more @ this long slow stroke and how it affects the CB differently than other strokes.
Dr Dave, I hadn't noticed your site showing any super slow mo vid's of this, but perhaps missed it?
Im thinking that anyone on here wanting to bank that shot in the side has action from everyone else that posted in this threadlol
I was thinking the same, but I would be betting against the thin cut crowd.
Well, for one thing, when you draw off of a cut shot with a long, slow stroke, the CB does not diverge along the tangent line as far before it comes back. In essence, the softer you can hit the CB when drawing at an angle, the further back up table you can get it. The longer stroke is needed to get the distance required.
A long stroke with slow speed changes the forward speed/CB spin ratio, such that you lose most of the forward momentum whilst retaining a high rate of spin.
It is the same concept that allows Efren to do those inside english spin shots so effortlessly. When he is cutting a ball and wants to crawl the CB up the same rial, he puts inside english with draw, but he strokes softly with a long stroke.
The long stroke applies a lot of inside english, while the soft speed lets the cloth wear off the bottom english just as the CB arrives at the OB. Then, there is very little forward spin left, and a crapload of inside.
I think what makes Efren and the other Filipinos better at these types of strokes is that:
1. The have to shoot them all the time in Rotation
and
2. The practice a long stroke at all speeds, fast, medium, soft, and extra soft. And they know they effects of shortening the stroke inch by inch at each speed.
Russ
Im thinking that anyone on here wanting to bank that shot in the side has action from everyone else that posted in this thread
I know a dude that would break 90% of the players on here (including me) if he got to start with this shot.
The key here is this:
He will either make this shot on you, or the 9 ball will be in the middle of the bottom rail, 90% of the time.
If most of the people on this thread can fade that heat, then we got a lot more champions on here than I thought.
Russ
I wonder if you can tell us what the causal length is between the "length" (considered independently of the speed) of the stroke and the amount of spin? I'm particularly interested in the portion of the stroke after the contact with the CB, and its effect on the already-gone ball.
-Andrew
Andrew, I am not gonna get into a physics argument with you. 'Nuff said. Thanks for playing today's game!
"Johnny, show the man what he's won!!"
All I know, is Efren does it. (Uses a long stroke even when he hits the CB very softly.) A lot of the other Filipinos do it as well.)
How is this for causality? When people build their game off a short stroke, they dog it more often. (In general) When people have a nice, long fluid stroke, they make a lot more balls, and get position more often.
Second point. Most players hit too hard. I've seen it..You've seen it. There are things on a pool table that can't be done with a firm (or harder) stroke.
And at the risk of fueling what most certainly looks like your attempts to bait me, I never said anything about the stroke's effect after contact.
If people think they can follow the example of one world champion (Hopkins) and get there with a short stroke, while ignoring the other 100 or so who high nice long fluid strokes, then more power to them.
Russ
It will depend on the individual and what they feel they are capable of doing...
I actually had this shot come up on me in the predator qualifyer at Danny K's, and I rolled the CB into the nine straight on and played the CB to stop right up against the nine on the back rail it ended up leaving a slight gap between the CB and nine.
My opponent then thinned the nine and put the CB down table and I did the same shot again. He then left it open trying to do something, I don't remember what and I made the nine if I remember correctly.
Jaden
I actually had this shot come up on me in the predator qualifyer at Danny K's, and I rolled the CB into the nine straight on and played the CB to stop right up against the nine on the back rail it ended up leaving a slight gap between the CB and nine.
My opponent then thinned the nine and put the CB down table and I did the same shot again. He then left it open trying to do something, I don't remember what and I made the nine if I remember correctly.
Jaden
well drew i want you to get someone to video you or someone else shooting this exact shot and make the cueball and object ball do what is illustrated here? actually i dont care where the object ball stops as long as it traveled those lines and make sure the cue ball does too. and also i know some one who knows some one who can make a shot? Geesh i was saying anyone who posted on here (Here on this Post) that wants to try making that shot in a game in reality not fantasy pool or in fairyland mind games....i would like to see some one shoot this, maybe i will be impressed to learn how to make the cueball do things that are not fathomed.
I believe it can be executed but it's not wise. The probability of a negative outcome is great.
