shhhhhhhh....Sunny, next time you see Corey...ask him what kind of table he has at home that he practices on:grin:
Glen
Why do certain pros like prefer Gold Crowns?
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shhhhhhhh....Sunny, next time you see Corey...ask him what kind of table he has at home that he practices on:grin:
Glen
Because while you may not be able to....
Because while you may not be able to hit the rail at all and have a ball, you can hit it dead center pocket and it still might jump out or hang up...
Sometimes you have to power stroke and even hitting dead center pocket, on a diamond, you're not sure to make it when you have to power stroke the ball...
And the rails bounce different, and make certain things like reverse spin back banking much more difficult if not impossible.
I am of the mind to prefer a good tight gold crown to a diamond but I can play on both and you just have to know how to adjust your game to the conditions you are playing on, but an ability to adjust to conditions doesn't mean you have to enjoy it more...
Jaden
Because while you may not be able to hit the rail at all and have a ball, you can hit it dead center pocket and it still might jump out or hang up...
Sometimes you have to power stroke and even hitting dead center pocket, on a diamond, you're not sure to make it when you have to power stroke the ball...
And the rails bounce different, and make certain things like reverse spin back banking much more difficult if not impossible.
I am of the mind to prefer a good tight gold crown to a diamond but I can play on both and you just have to know how to adjust your game to the conditions you are playing on, but an ability to adjust to conditions doesn't mean you have to enjoy it more...
Jaden
Here is the bottom line.
They are both great tables. But everyone has different preferences. We should be all glad there ARE choices! However, if both tables played exactly the same then what is the point? Why buy one or the other?
Diamond will strive to improve as always. If anyone has any suggestion or valid issue, then feel free to contact them any time. http://www.diamondbilliards.net/Contact/tabid/58/Default.aspx
Greg Sullivan and the Diamond crews were all there before, during and after the duration of US Open 9 Ball where Raj had this complaint. Not even once did he say a peep to those who really matter! At one time he stood less than 5 ft away from Greg Sullivan, but he just hid behind his own private facebook and his fans to talk trash...
S.
They are both great tables. But everyone has different preferences. We should be all glad there ARE choices! However, if both tables played exactly the same then what is the point? Why buy one or the other?
Diamond will strive to improve as always. If anyone has any suggestion or valid issue, then feel free to contact them any time. http://www.diamondbilliards.net/Contact/tabid/58/Default.aspx
Greg Sullivan and the Diamond crews were all there before, during and after the duration of US Open 9 Ball where Raj had this complaint. Not even once did he say a peep to those who really matter! At one time he stood less than 5 ft away from Greg Sullivan, but he just hid behind his own private facebook and his fans to talk trash...
S.
I like Diamonds and believe them to be best table in the world currently..
On the other hand there is no doubt, that antique Brunswicks play very well much better than the brunswick of today ..
I have a brunswick challenger from 1939 , and a brunswick Jefferson from 1913, and I feel they give Diamond a great run for the G.O.A.T.
Though both diamond ,and a fully restored antique brunswick are expensive , if you dont mind putting in a little restoration in ,,you usually can stumble across antique Bruswick tables for good prices,, at least Ive lucked out and found some great tables for steals.....
On the other hand there is no doubt, that antique Brunswicks play very well much better than the brunswick of today ..
I have a brunswick challenger from 1939 , and a brunswick Jefferson from 1913, and I feel they give Diamond a great run for the G.O.A.T.
Though both diamond ,and a fully restored antique brunswick are expensive , if you dont mind putting in a little restoration in ,,you usually can stumble across antique Bruswick tables for good prices,, at least Ive lucked out and found some great tables for steals.....
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I heard that Corey has a GC ???
Earl likes Gold Crowns better I think, he won a bunch of US Opens on a Gold Crown and a bunch of World Championships on a GC also.--Leonard
This is true.
I remember at DCC when i had to rifle in a ball on a diamond smart table, only to have it hit the bottom of the pocket, and bounce straight out onto the floor, which cost me the match.
After looking at how the pocket was designed and seeing that it was basically flat at the bottom of the hole, I IMMEDIATELY went over to diamond and was mid complaint, when they finished my sentence for me.
I was like, "um, excuse me, i just had to spear a ball in during my match, and..." (they finished my sentence with) "and the ball bounced out of the pocket?"
I said "Yeah"
"We've had several complaints about that issue, we're gonna look at it when we get the chance, but there is nothing we can really do about it right now, except say sorry"
That kind of ended my complaint on the spot.
Years later, i made it a point to rifle balls in on a diamond multiple times from close up and not one single ball popped out.
When the Diamond smart table first came out, the rails were truly terrible and balls were flying in the air all over the place, and EVERYTHING banked short, like BY A MILE short.
I'm sure people complained, and they changed the rails to Artemis and although the rails stayed pretty bouncy, at least they didn't play like the pinball machines they were when they first came out. I have no idea if they have changed the rails since then.
I'm sure if enough people complained, they might do something of about the rails, but i would think that now, they kind of like the whole "Diamonized" aspect to their equipment.
I listened in on Earl and Keith M at a small tournament in Rochester. They both were of the opinion that GC's as set up at this tournament were perfect. When asked why they felt this way Keith says "It's a GC". Earl says "Yep, it's a GC, enough said". These guys can play on anything but back in 2003 when this was overheard their feelings were that GC's is the superior table.
I own a GCIII, so I'm biased. 860 Simonis that plays a little slow, corner pockets shimmed to a 4 5/8" pocket. It plays fair. IMO, the Diamonds bank too short. Making "twisters" is almost impossible. Collison induced spin on object balls dosen't take as much on a Diamond.
Paul
I own a GCIII, so I'm biased. 860 Simonis that plays a little slow, corner pockets shimmed to a 4 5/8" pocket. It plays fair. IMO, the Diamonds bank too short. Making "twisters" is almost impossible. Collison induced spin on object balls dosen't take as much on a Diamond.
Paul
Do you have any good pics of your 1913 gold crown? How much would one cost?
Every gold crown I've ever played on seemed to play pretty soft. Back in 2006 when viking had that tournament at a place called the poolroom, they had a gold crown with 4 inch pockets, and they had a diamond with 4 inch pockets. The gold crown played kinda soft I thought. The diamond played tough but true!
I wish I had pics of the one me and my buddy redid...
It was a turn of the century brunswick, don't remember the model, it had legs that swept outward as they went from the table towards the floor, and inlayed wood with inlayed veneers all around.
It had 2" one piece nine foot slate (took six guys to lift it) and we ended up selling it for 13,000 back in like 95.
get this... We bought it and three identical eight point four veneer multiple ringed 36 MOP inlayed cues for a grand total of 2500 bucks from a guy in beverly hills who was going through a divorce...
Jaden
It was a turn of the century brunswick, don't remember the model, it had legs that swept outward as they went from the table towards the floor, and inlayed wood with inlayed veneers all around.
It had 2" one piece nine foot slate (took six guys to lift it) and we ended up selling it for 13,000 back in like 95.
get this... We bought it and three identical eight point four veneer multiple ringed 36 MOP inlayed cues for a grand total of 2500 bucks from a guy in beverly hills who was going through a divorce...
Jaden
The Diamond one piece 9ft slate 1" thick weighs 618lbs, wonder what that slate weighed
in 26 years of working on pool tables I've never seen a one piece 9ft slate that thick, maybe you got lucky and got the only table Brunswick ever produced with a slate like that:wink:
I can't put it any better than RKC. Here's his answer from another thread on this very topic:
If you've played on a properly tightened table as opposed to one that has had the snot shimmed out of it, the difference is pretty obvious.
Hope this helps.
Was this at one of the Joss events at CLASSIC? Cause if it was, i would agree.
Those GC's in the back were immaculate.
The Gandy's up front, they could have chucked into a bonfire for all i cared, but the GCs were spectacular.
I prefer a GC over any other table..... but in reality, I'm sure you can have most tables customized with the rails you like, pocket size, felt, and slate. I would get a GC for the name and history, but at the same time I would get the Tournament Edition and have tight pockets on it with Simonis 760 (if that's the slower of the two) cloth. But I need the $$ to get one. LOL!! Besides, I've almost always played on a GC of some sort. It really comes down to personal preference just like everything else.
Diamond - Gold Crown --DEAD HEAT
Where i play we have a choice of Diamond and GC
They both have strenghts and weaknesses.
The Diamond pockets are ideal and a 1pc slate is great.
But the rails are speedy which makes it difficult to work the ball.
Most carom players prefer Verhoven over Soren Sogard because
the toned down rails give you more options
Gold Crown rails allow you to work the balls with english better.
The bolting system on some models of GC is superior.
But shooting over a GC pocket sucks.Gotta get your thumb under
the cue.
Shims can ruin any table's performance.They tend not to be under-cut like rails [the middle of the ball should sit UNDER the edge].
Also a hollow is created where the middle of the ball hits and sends
the ball UP instead of DOWN. I won some bets shooting at a shimmed
pocket where the angle was slightly reversed by predicting what area
of the WALL i would hit.
I would love to play on an Anniversary with Diamond pockets and 1pc
slate ,GC rails - HEATED....Oh,and fill the legs with sand bags.
...However,i'm equally happy to play on either table.
ps- It's nice to have a player making tables - kudos to Greg Sullivan.
Where i play we have a choice of Diamond and GC
They both have strenghts and weaknesses.
The Diamond pockets are ideal and a 1pc slate is great.
But the rails are speedy which makes it difficult to work the ball.
Most carom players prefer Verhoven over Soren Sogard because
the toned down rails give you more options
Gold Crown rails allow you to work the balls with english better.
The bolting system on some models of GC is superior.
But shooting over a GC pocket sucks.Gotta get your thumb under
the cue.
Shims can ruin any table's performance.They tend not to be under-cut like rails [the middle of the ball should sit UNDER the edge].
Also a hollow is created where the middle of the ball hits and sends
the ball UP instead of DOWN. I won some bets shooting at a shimmed
pocket where the angle was slightly reversed by predicting what area
of the WALL i would hit.
I would love to play on an Anniversary with Diamond pockets and 1pc
slate ,GC rails - HEATED....Oh,and fill the legs with sand bags.
...However,i'm equally happy to play on either table.
ps- It's nice to have a player making tables - kudos to Greg Sullivan.
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