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[avmaster]

I love AZB, I really enjoy all that happens here, have made some great new friends as well. I joined as a member and am happy to continue to be one. Mike is the boss, I think he does a great job and I hope it continues that way....... Merry Christmas Mike, and a happy and fulfilling New Year.

 

[JimS]

Understood.....along with those 300+ iTraders are over 8000 posts. I hope I contribute something to the site other than that.
Joe

Bingo! It's the other 8000+ posts that tell the whole story. This is a case of a guy who joined the forum in order to say "hey" to other pool enthusiasts. He also collects and sells some stuff on the side. It's clear to everybody who those guys are, although there are no clear guidelines or rules.

I trust the owner of this site and his associates to make quality, unselfish, and fair decisions based on their own perception of what is going on within the forum(s). They don't have to set rules and clear guidelines. It's their site and they have every right to just make their own decisions. It's not a democracy here.

It's their house. They get to say what happens. If they or their rules offend you, then go play somewhere else.

That's my take on it. :groucho:

 

[taxi man]

Understood.....along with those 300+ iTraders are over 8000 posts. I hope I contribute something to the site other than that.
Joe

I agree with you,but I think az is going a little overboard.At the end of the day were all just talking about beautiful pieces of wood.If a cuemaker sells a cue he made that's promoting his business.If I sell a predator and say how great the cue is and it's the best hitting cue ever,than I'm promoting predators business.There's so many angles to look at it.I don't see a problem with promoting anything because if I don't want to read it I just don't click on it.There's players,buyers,sellers,moneymakers and moneytakers,we need them all to make this forum interesting and fun.Merry Chrismas to everybody.:smile:

 

[lenoxmjs]

This is Wanted/For Sale

I don't see anything wanted or for sale in this thread . It should be deleted or moved to the proper section. :grin:

Just Kidding

Merry Christmas to all and best wishes for a profitable new year!

 

[WalkerInTN]

I trust the owner of this site and his associates to make quality, unselfish, and fair decisions based on their own perception of what is going on within the forum(s). They don't have to set rules and clear guidelines. It's their site and they have every right to just make their own decisions. It's not a democracy here.

It's their house. They get to say what happens. If they or their rules offend you, then go play somewhere else.

That's my take on it. :groucho:

Couldn't have said it any better myself. :clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[magnetardo]

It's real simple. This is a place to post your item that you have for sale. Not to advertise your general business or to solicit future business.

I am a case maker. I should not post an ad that says "Order a Custom Case Today"

I should not post an ad that says "Cue cases for sale go here www.casesforsale.com"




So you probably shouldn't post something like this then?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=124894&highlight=j.flowers

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Alot of folks seem to have missed the point.

**IF** your sole contribution to AZB is a bump or to step on another's sale to promote your own interests....then you might be who He's talking about.

If you are running a business and the bulk of your conversation is with regard to the business you are running and doing it all without contributing to the overhead Mike incurs........then you might be who He's talking about.

The main point of this forum is about Community...not Commerce.

 

[tableman]

I agree. I would absolutely hate to see AZ turn into the conglomeration of business links that craigslist has. There are so many business ads on there at times that you can't even find a personal for sale ad. We do have google if we're looking for a business.......right. I see what admin is trying to prevent. My website link is in my sig if anyone wants to click on it but I have never promoted it or my business. I have many other avenues for that. I am simply here to meet good friends that love the game and do a little horse (or cue :smile trading, but most of all help the people I can and ask for a little help if I don't know something. I have met many good people here and I do appreciate you all. Hopefully I haven't stepped on anyones toes with any of my posts. Merry Christmas to you all!
Brian aka Tableman

 

[avmaster]

Alot of folks seem to have missed the point.

**IF** your sole contribution to AZB is a bump or to step on another's sale to promote your own interests....then you might be who He's talking about.

If you are running a business and the bulk of your conversation is with regard to the business you are running and doing it all without contributing to the overhead Mike incurs........then you might be who He's talking about.

The main point of this forum is about Community...not Commerce.

Thanks for clearing that up....:grin: Yes, community, I totally agree and like it that way........:smile:

 

[taxi man]

Alot of folks seem to have missed the point.

**IF** your sole contribution to AZB is a bump or to step on another's sale to promote your own interests....then you might be who He's talking about.

If you are running a business and the bulk of your conversation is with regard to the business you are running and doing it all without contributing to the overhead Mike incurs........then you might be who He's talking about.

The main point of this forum is about Community...not Commerce.

If your including the the buying and selling forum,I would have to respectfully disagree.It might be a Community,but the town name is Commerce.Don't get me wrong it's a great forum,But I haven't seen alot of people selling there products on another guys thread,but I have seen people make comments not liking there product they are selling,which they have every right to do.If its only good things were aloud to say then I don't consider this a open forum, its sounds very controlled to me.Thanks

 

[stikapos]

I dont mind at all seeing people sell stuff on here from their websites and businesses, but its those who never answer questions, or support the community are the ones who need the boot. I have learned a TON from people on here, and I LOVE this site. There are quite a few guys on here who sell a lot of stuff, but if I have a question, they never hesitate to answer it, and are alwayys happy to help. That is the way it should be, not just some dude with a web site or an ebay account throwing up a link and bumping it every 20 minutes, and never helping dumbasses like me out, lol.


Joe

Joe
I don't mind the folks who support the community either. I'm just saying that clear standards should be established. And definitely policies concerning sales. If a buyer doesn't think an item was properly described, they should have the right to return, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I still have an expensive piece of crap in my cellar from some nitwit in this forum who was so freakin concerned about having a dollar to buy his next cue with that he wouldn't take back something that he misrepresented.

At the end of the day, this forum was about folks trading their own cues, not for folks trying to make extra income off of the forum. That's what ebay or your own website should be for. Having said that, its not exactly fair to expect cuemakers to answer questions, etc. and not let them sell cues.

So, establish sales/return policies and implement a policy for sellers allowed, whether by ad hoc ruling or strict standards.

happy xmas eve,
tim

 

[Klink]

Good Job

I hope this slows down the for sale forum some. It seems to have gotten where if you do post something for sale it will be on the fourth page in less than an hour. The same few people will have 4 or 5 for sale threads at the same time all getting bumped regularly. Maybe a limit on the number of for sale threads per member at one time would be the answer.

 

[uwate]

its not just the pro sellers but users like vannahmom who just show up to az and only sell their stuff.

If the only posts a person has are ones where they are trying to sell something, then they should be charged some sort of fee. If they dont like it, then go to craigslist.

 

[jbravo2984]

I hope this slows down the for sale forum some. It seems to have gotten where if you do post something for sale it will be on the fourth page in less than an hour. The same few people will have 4 or 5 for sale threads at the same time all getting bumped regularly. Maybe a limit on the number of for sale threads per member at one time would be the answer.

these are all signs of a very poor econoy my friend and I believe the economy is the primary contributor. lots of things for sale, no buyers.

 

[teaz01]

Joe
I don't mind the folks who support the community either. I'm just saying that clear standards should be established. And definitely policies concerning sales. If a buyer doesn't think an item was properly described, they should have the right to return, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I still have an expensive piece of crap in my cellar from some nitwit in this forum who was so freakin concerned about having a dollar to buy his next cue with that he wouldn't take back something that he misrepresented.

At the end of the day, this forum was about folks trading their own cues, not for folks trying to make extra income off of the forum. That's what ebay or your own website should be for. Having said that, its not exactly fair to expect cuemakers to answer questions, etc. and not let them sell cues.

So, establish sales/return policies and implement a policy for sellers allowed, whether by ad hoc ruling or strict standards.

happy xmas eve,
tim

Hi Tim,
I don't think we should expect AZ Billiards to be involved in any buy, sell, or trade transactions. If AZ mandates something they become involved in a dispute. Especially considering the slighted party's perception is in most cases subjective. To mediate a deal gone south takes a lot of time and ultimately may find no resolution. AZ provides a good forum with a database to discern a persons reputation. It is up to the parties involved to realize an agreement that will protect and satisfy each. Know the seller.
Respectfully, Troy.

 

[JB Cases]

It's real simple. This is a place to post your item that you have for sale. Not to advertise your general business or to solicit future business.

I am a case maker. I should not post an ad that says "Order a Custom Case Today"

I should not post an ad that says "Cue cases for sale go here www.casesforsale.com"




So you probably shouldn't post something like this then?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=124894&highlight=j.flowers

That is absolutely correct.

As I said, I have been on both sides of the fence on this.

 

[DWBOD]

That is absolutely correct.

As I said, I have been on both sides of the fence on this.

...........................:grin:



I enjoy AZ and spend a lot of time just browsing around, I also spend a lot of time on watch collector forums and have seen a couple of things that I think are worth mentioning. Most forums limit the amount of times you can bump your own add or how often it can be bumped by the poster. They also limit the number of adds that you can have running actively at one time. The only real problem with this is probably the extra work it requires from the mods to have to "police" the forums even more. I think AZ is an awesome site and thankful for it either just as it is or if the mods/owners see fit to alter it. Happy Holidays!!

Doug

 

[mdavis228]

I enjoy AZ very much. I've bought, sold, and mostly browsed; and I've gotten to know a lot of great folks. I see people all the time that show joining numerous years past, with over 1000 posts - who aren't club members. I don't get that. I also have noticed a lot of comments about increased administrative scrutiny. Under the strictest of circumstances (and we don't want those) it's nearly impossible to legislate against those who simply don't seem to respect those around them. On a public forum, even less so. This site does many good things, and has many good tools.
The more rules you honestly need to enforce with frequency, the closer you are to failure. I think what we can hope for most is that whatever increased admin oversight is undertaken is seamless to the greater whole.

 

[JB Cases]

...........................:grin:



I enjoy AZ and spend a lot of time just browsing around, I also spend a lot of time on watch collector forums and have seen a couple of things that I think are worth mentioning. Most forums limit the amount of times you can bump your own add or how often it can be bumped by the poster. They also limit the number of adds that you can have running actively at one time. The only real problem with this is probably the extra work it requires from the mods to have to "police" the forums even more. I think AZ is an awesome site and thankful for it either just as it is or if the mods/owners see fit to alter it. Happy Holidays!!

Doug

I am in complete agreement. I promote our business here a lot but I also participate in the main forum and add content there where it's pertinent. In my 20 years in this business and 28 years as a pool player I have collected a lot of experiences that I share with the group.

I don't really care how Mike wants to structure this forum. I am happy to have an audience for what I make and will still show that off when appropriate to the discussion and within the rules whatever they may be.

I would suggest to Mike that he enlist more mods. I am certain that there are several people whose time is spent mostly on the Wanted/For Sale forum who would be happy to volunteer some time keeping it tidy.

 

[hdgis1]

What an absurd idea! I guess its time to say goodbye to all the cuemakers I have learned about. Never would have heard about them otherwise. And I must mention I find it kind of funny that most everyone who has responded seems to have a stake in how this thing plays out. I'd probably play nice too if I wasnt sure if I was gonna get cut or not. I mean, after all, the guidelines are very clear!