Talisman tip install question
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I've done a lot of my own tips but that was because their wasn't anybody around with a lathe and experience. I damaged some shafts and ferrules learning. Your tip is expensive and if it's a valuable shaft I think you should get it to a pro. The learning curve can get expensive.
I suggest you find a person who repairs cues and have them do it. Ask around your local poolroom.
On second thought, do it yourself. You'll appreciate your friendly neighborhood cue repair person more, the next time around.
On second thought, do it yourself. You'll appreciate your friendly neighborhood cue repair person more, the next time around.
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I've always had the guy at the PoolHall do it. Talisman Medium PRO is what I like to use.
I agree with Sam here.
I have my own lathe, so I am a bit lucky here because I do my own tips/repairs... Having that said Talisman WB tips are my favorite WB tips and you do need a lathe for these tips. They play really good.
You can do it. You have to be real patient, but you can do it.
You really need some kind of tip trimmer to get the oversized (typically 14 mm, or so) tip down to the size of YOUR ferrule (typically 13 mm or smaller).
So, to buy a tip trimmer you'll spend $50.00 to $100.00. Or, you can cut the tip, with a razor blade, down by hand.
By the time you're done, you'll wish you would have found a cue maker or cue repair shop.
IMHO
You really need some kind of tip trimmer to get the oversized (typically 14 mm, or so) tip down to the size of YOUR ferrule (typically 13 mm or smaller).
So, to buy a tip trimmer you'll spend $50.00 to $100.00. Or, you can cut the tip, with a razor blade, down by hand.
By the time you're done, you'll wish you would have found a cue maker or cue repair shop.
IMHO
You may well be right.
That being said I've installed more than 1 without a delam issue. The edge isn't as pretty as when done with a lathe however.
LWW
i found myself in much the same situation, I use the OB-2 shafts and I lost a tip on one....I damaged the small carbon fiber pad that is used to protect the ferrule while attempting to remove the rest of the tip. OB's site also recommends taking the cue to a repair shop for replacement of this pad.....they also cautioned against using anything but a lathe equiped with a carbide cutter to trim the pad flush with the ferrule. I contacted Royce from OB here on AZ and explained the process I intended to use to attempt the repair myself. I used " The Big Shaver" from creative inventions, a cue top sander, super glue, and tiger cyno gel, and a diamond impregnated nail file to sand the pad even....I was able to get great results using this simple equipment. I did end up having to sand the ferrule with 1500 grit and recoat it with super glue but the shaft looks brand new now......and after about 80 hrs of play on the retipped shaft I am pleased to say......No Problems. Bottom line.....if your halfway skilled and willing to take the time to do it right.....you can do it yourself.....Dan
If its WB hard then you are in for some sweating if you install it by hand. I have installed several, and recommend a lathe of some sort. I use a lathe that I made, but I have tried the hand trimming method with this tip and it is very difficult.
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I must disagree, I currently have a Talisman tip on my Richard Black with ivory ferrules, which I did myself by hand with no lathe using the same method I've used for over 20 years. One does not "need" a lathe to install a tip, Talisman or otherwise.
Agreed. Here is a tutorial I put together some time back. While a lathe makes it easier to retip a cue, its not needed to retip a cue.
And Talisman tips have always had delamination issues, sometimes you get a good batch.... sometimes ya dont.
Chuck
River City....Good Post
Rivercity,
I do it mostly the same way. but, as I do tips for the N Ft Meyers seniors league and residents of my senior complex pool room. I bought a set of shaft pins from Atlas.
I use a battery powered drill at low speed. Its set in the jaws of a large vise on my bench in the garage. I use this to shape the sides and top of the tip, with a fresh blade each time. I protect the ferrule with tape and use wet 600 first then 2000 to final finish the tip.
I finish polish the cue and ferrule at high speed for a short time with 3M light rubbing/polishing compound, and final burnish the shaft, ferrule, and tip with leather. Shaft looks better than new...and smooth! Shines like a baby's butt.
Keeps my fellow old farts cues looking/shooting good and allows me to buy a few Viagra pills for my labor.
Jerry
Rivercity,
I do it mostly the same way. but, as I do tips for the N Ft Meyers seniors league and residents of my senior complex pool room. I bought a set of shaft pins from Atlas.
I use a battery powered drill at low speed. Its set in the jaws of a large vise on my bench in the garage. I use this to shape the sides and top of the tip, with a fresh blade each time. I protect the ferrule with tape and use wet 600 first then 2000 to final finish the tip.
I finish polish the cue and ferrule at high speed for a short time with 3M light rubbing/polishing compound, and final burnish the shaft, ferrule, and tip with leather. Shaft looks better than new...and smooth! Shines like a baby's butt.
Keeps my fellow old farts cues looking/shooting good and allows me to buy a few Viagra pills for my labor.
Jerry
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NCC1515
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I have installed tips much the same way. My experience has been: carefully installing both medium and hard Talisman tips by hand, I've never had one come off but I've had about 6 out of 8 delaminate. Bad batch? Maybe. Lately I've been thinking that they couldn't handle the lateral, or sideways stresses if you favor a taller tip (like I do). With Tiger Everest tips, I would shape until the imprint on top disappeared and never had one delaminate. Those tips would last me 1 - 2 years. Installing and shaping the Talismans the same way, delams usually appear about at the middle layer. I got some Tiger 'Emerald' tips to try out and so far they seem to hold up and play really well - for the price.