Whats the best play here?

Kobachi

Kobachi

Scarred but Smarter
Not sure if this is going to work with the table template but I'll give it a try...

League night, all tied up at the end of the match. Sudden death one game to decide, I play. I'm solids, I hook him, he fouls, I have ball in hand and am left with this:

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I make the one in the side, draw towards the 15 and 8 ball. Was trying to get to the end rail, and go into either the 15 or the 8. But what happens is I went directly into the 15, and the cue ball follows, I scratch, he gets bih, I lose.

Wondering what others might have done in this situation....played the one in the opposite side and followed into the 8/15?

Licking my wounds....

Kevin
 
If it were me, Id run the 1 down to lower right corner pocket and put the cue bal on the rail behins the 8 to play safe and make the other person shoot and hopefully break the 15 outta the hole
 
ftgokie said:
If it were me, Id run the 1 down to lower right corner pocket and put the cue bal on the rail behins the 8 to play safe and make the other person shoot and hopefully break the 15 outta the hole
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I thought of that, but I feared he would have slow rolled/kicked the 15, leaving me hooked. I think offensive was the way, just not the way I did...
 
Kobachi said:
I thought of that, but I feared he would have slow rolled/kicked the 15, leaving me hooked. I think offensive was the way, just not the way I did...
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Yea, I know what your saying, id still feel more comfortable with the cue ball anywhere on the rail that the 8 was on. I am thinking anywhere on the rail above the side pocket and top right corder pocket might be better...I dunno.....anywhere on the rail that the 8 is on and if he kicked and made the 15 or hooked me id just have to say damn good shot.....


Im interested in what others have to say about what they would do
 
I play a bit aggressive for my own good most times, but if I might try playing the safe since this is for the match.

If I was to go offensive, I would play the one in the lower side pocket as you did and roll the cue ball toward the short rail below the 8 ball trying to get somewhere around the first and second diamond from the lower corner pocket, leaving myself the bank to the lower right corner.
 
With the layout as depicted in your cuetable, I would have caromed the one in the corner hitting the tit of the pocket first sending the one off the 15 into the corner pocket and the 15 off the rail clearing the corner for the 8. Using follow, the cueball ends up on the rail straight in behind the 8 ball. If there isn't enough room to play the carom, I would opt for shooting the one in the opposite side pocket and follow down to break out the 8 but try to hit the 8 such that it pockets the 15 and leaves me the 8 in the same corner.

Regards,

Randy
 
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I would call safe before the shot, take the 1 in the opposite side pocket and leave the cue ball on the side rail for your opponent to shoot.

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Follow is pretty much always preferable to draw. It's easier to predict the cue ball's path... and for some reason all players (from the top down) can follow on a certain line with more accuracy than they can with draw.

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You aim to hit the 8 square. And you hit with some right spin. If the cue ball dives forward more than expected and hits just below the 8, it can spin into it and knock it away. If it hits too high and hits the stripe... well you should still be okay, unless you get totally unlucky and follow the 15 into the pocket, lol.

I think vs. most players mamono's shot is the smart play. I personally hate to give up the table and if the 15 is a little deeper in the jaws I'd be afraid of selling out a kick. If it's a little away from the pocket though, the safe is great.

Also worth thinking about... if the 8 and 15 are pretty lined up, follow the CB to land on the rail fairly close to the 8, then hit the 8 with draw so that it combos in the 15 and follows it into the hole. This is pretty easy once you spot situations where it can work.
 
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Actually this is a little tougher than it appears. A few questions.
1- APA or BCA? Rules on safes
2- How good is your opposition?
3- how good are you?
4- Table size?

Without knowing the above here are my thoughts..

A- No way i try to move the 15 when I can simply play the 1 and get shape for a very makeable bank on the 8.

Most times in this situation I will give my opponnet to do some stupid so I would play the first layout. Even though I figure he just banks the ball back up table.

So I likely take the aggressive side and shoot the shot in the second layout. I like following with the sidespin making the shot a bit easier and taking the scratch out. Still not what I think is best.

I would only shoot the above in place of banking the 8.

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"Actually this is a little tougher than it appears. A few questions."
1- APA or BCA? Rules on safes
2- How good is your opposition?
3- how good are you?
4- Table size?


It's a private league, but basically its APA foul rules, bih on any fouls.

The opposition was good, used to be very good, but older now and a little
less consistant. (He used to be on the US Snooker team back in the day with Don Feeney).

I'm an APA 7 but don't play APA anymore.

Bar size 3x6 or there abouts.


Thanks everyone for the great suggestions, frankincali I think the opposite side with follow was the shot like you and a few others mentioned. When he had previously fouled, he did so by kicking at the 15 and barely fouled, it was very close, and had he executed, I would've been hooked. This is what led me to the offensive shot. I didn't want to give him another chance at it.

Thanks again all, Kevin.
 
CreeDo said:
Follow is pretty much always preferable to draw. It's easier to predict the cue ball's path... and for some reason all players (from the top down) can follow on a certain line with more accuracy than they can with draw.
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I like this option CreeDo...Might not go down like I want but that's what I would do:cool: Put some top on that sh!t!
 
mosconiac said:
Assuming its a bartable, I can't see how a player could fear this option.

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Gotta agree, on a valley table that bank shot is about as close to a hanger as they get for anyone that has played any 1-pocket at all.

The shots using follow to break the 8 out are also decent but they are not that easily controlled, most people play to smash into the 15 and 8 with little thought beyond that and even if you hit those balls you don't have to come out good.
 
frankncali said:
Actually this is a little tougher than it appears. A few questions.
1- APA or BCA? Rules on safes
2- How good is your opposition?
3- how good are you?
4- Table size?

Without knowing the above here are my thoughts..

A- No way i try to move the 15 when I can simply play the 1 and get shape for a very makeable bank on the 8.

Most times in this situation I will give my opponnet to do some stupid so I would play the first layout. Even though I figure he just banks the ball back up table.

So I likely take the aggressive side and shoot the shot in the second layout. I like following with the sidespin making the shot a bit easier and taking the scratch out. Still not what I think is best.

I would only shoot the above in place of banking the 8.

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You have a couple of good options here. Layout 1 is to get your object ball closer so that next time you will might a better breakout. My response to that move would be to remove your ball to the other end of the table, If you didn't like it before you probably won't like the next shot either. But it might be worth a try.

I like the second layout better. This is what the OP tried to do but he tried it with draw and to the other side pocket. The follow with left spin is more consistent and easier to gage than the draw. The bank is also ok but maybe not on a big table.
 
Wow..

A lot of impatient players here.

From the layout, there isn't a lock on making the 1 and then breaking out the 8. (possible, but not a lock, as described in the OP's story)

The best option is to play another safe. One that will put the 1 near either corner pocket at the same end as the 8 and 15 with the cue ball being on the same rail as the 8 and 15.

Here's the thinking...
Make it so he's kicking at the 15. If he makes a good hit and moves the 15 where the 8 goes, you can go on offense. If the 1 is near a corner pocket, you have a higher percentage of having a shot to make it.

If he does not hit the 15, and gives you ball in hand again, if the 1 is near either corner pocket at that same side of the table, you can now play the 1 off the 15, clearing the pocket and set up shape to play the 8 in the same corner.

If you're not able to play the 1 off the 15, play safe again... rinse, repeat as needed.
 
In this situation you cant make him shoot the 15. In fact I doubt he would kick at it with the 1 ball anywhere in sight. He would simply knock the one down table out of position over and over again.

Some people have eluded to him kicking one rail behind it and I dont think many good players would do this. If the one is out of position then kicking directly at the 15 softly would be a better option. Any seperation even slight is good.

I also gave some thought to what happens if he makes the one ball for me which is sort of common in league play in these type situations. I think it would be a mistake.



Ponytail said:
Wow..

A lot of impatient players here.

From the layout, there isn't a lock on making the 1 and then breaking out the 8. (possible, but not a lock, as described in the OP's story)

The best option is to play another safe. One that will put the 1 near either corner pocket at the same end as the 8 and 15 with the cue ball being on the same rail as the 8 and 15.

Here's the thinking...
Make it so he's kicking at the 15. If he makes a good hit and moves the 15 where the 8 goes, you can go on offense. If the 1 is near a corner pocket, you have a higher percentage of having a shot to make it.

If he does not hit the 15, and gives you ball in hand again, if the 1 is near either corner pocket at that same side of the table, you can now play the 1 off the 15, clearing the pocket and set up shape to play the 8 in the same corner.

If you're not able to play the 1 off the 15, play safe again... rinse, repeat as needed.
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dabarbr said:
You have a couple of good options here. Layout 1 is to get your object ball closer so that next time you will might a better breakout. My response to that move would be to remove your ball to the other end of the table, If you didn't like it before you probably won't like the next shot either. But it might be worth a try.

I like the second layout better. This is what the OP tried to do but he tried it with draw and to the other side pocket. The follow with left spin is more consistent and easier to gage than the draw. The bank is also ok but maybe not on a big table.
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Exactly..

It all depends on who the opposition is. Against most players I would try to give them a chance to hang themselves and leave the one up table for the breakout. But I know that players like you arent going to leave it there.
I have more control with the sidespin in the second option. I can hit either ball and be successful giving me more room for error.

This cuetable stuff is always fun and interesting. Easy to learn and really easy to take shot to a home table or pool room table and try.
 
frankncali said:
I would only shoot the above in place of banking the 8.

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Now that I think about it, I like your idea more. It makes the kick a lot hard now that the 1 ball "could" be an obstacle and can be used as a break out ball later. I would just try to position the 1 ball a little closer to the 15.

If the 15 is frozen to the rail, then I'd play what I suggested because then its difficult to kick and make contact with the rail while giving safe off that kind of leave. Probably best to try to put a little more distance while you're at it.

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