How Would You Play This? 4/1/10

I agree with Robley and Ponytail - try and play safe on the 12. I don't like giving bih and if you make the 12 you absolutely MUST break out the 8 or you're in even worse shape.

You may get lucky and stick the cb to the 12 and get bih yourself. No matter what you need that 12 still on the table to have any chance...imo.

Mike
 
Whatever, I'm not going to pocket the 12-ball. I'm with Ponytail on this one....SPF=randyg
 
I definitely would not sink the 12. I would reposition it so I could break the 8 out later and leave him up table.

I'm anticipating him trying to sink a ball and ducking, or ducking right away so it's best to get your remaining object ball close to the 8 in order to leave yourself a shot and a possible break out.

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supergreenman said:
I definitely would not sink the 12. I would reposition it so I could break the 8 out later and leave him up table.

I'm anticipating him trying to sink a ball and ducking, or ducking right away so it's best to get your remaining object ball close to the 8 in order to leave yourself a shot and a possible break out.

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If I were solids, that's the side of the table I would want the 12-ball to be. Position on the left side of the cluster allows for a break-out safety but only if the 12 is on the right side of the table.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
If I were solids, that's the side of the table I would want the 12-ball to be. Position on the left side of the cluster allows for a break-out safety but only if the 12 is on the right side of the table.
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With the 11 reletively in the middle of the table and 6 open pockets to shoot at I find it hard to believe you can't come up with a safe breakout even if the 12 is a little right of centre.
 
go rail first at the 12, stopping the cue dead and repositioning the 12 somewhere around center table.
 
BCA rules; this is going to be a long game.

I would make his 1-ball, giving up ball-in-hand. I take that ball off the table to prevent an easy breakout by him.

If he tries to three-foul me, my ball is sitting in a big ball position and should be simple to kick at (just to hit not make) from any place on the table.

I would let him break out the 8-ball later in the game, but for now, I am narrowing his choices by eliminating one of his balls.

Again, this is going to be a long game.
 
I like these -wachyagoinado's

:eek:What I like is wrong. That's why I like these threads.

I do like Dabarbr's choice. Looks low % to win safety battle. Time to go. The x-corner bank and break out look like a good option. Pick your poison.

I'd rather lose trying to win than waiting for opponent to self destruct.

But then I lose alot.
 
Jude--This is a very good post. Thanks for making me think, even though I don't have an eye opening solution.

A cross corner bank with English to break out the cluster looks to be a double kiss.

Safely nudging your 12 to the nearest corner without making it and leaving the cue on the rail may be a choice. With your 12 in the corner, your opponent may have difficulty leaving you safe. The opponent will have two shots and some luck (or a lot of skill) to successfully break out the cluster and run out. And with your 12 in the corner, it may make his break out and run more difficult. He will probably break the cluster towards your 12 ball.

The best shot is the leave a safety behind the 12, but this can be touchy. Depending on skill and conditions this could be done by a kiss and one rail or a two rail kick.

It mainly comes down to your skill, your opponent's skill and a little luck.
 
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This was overlooked..why are you breaking the 8 out now,so late? You should have tried earlier ..but another option is to pocket the 12 with low right and get on top of the 8 and play safe there bump and stick the rock ..it will become a maneuvering game from there but i have scene it done rather well,just not my style...
 
LILJOHN30 said:
This was overlooked..why are you breaking the 8 out now,so late? You should have tried earlier ..
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I could not agree with you more. I missed three break-out attempts and quickly found myself in deep doodoo. To say the least, 8ball is rarely a forgiving game.
 
Neil said:
I assume you are not playing 3-foul. Another option is just to bank the 12 to somewhere near the middle of the table, and then seeing what he does. With your ball near the middle, there is a possibility that if you get a shot on it, you might be able to break out the 8 with that shot.

You are basically daring him to try and run out. He might, but his chances of that aren't really good either. If he does, he earned it. But, I would be trying to manuever my ball for a possible breakout shot, and hope he goes for the breakout and gets screwed. Anyway you look at it, the odds are currently in his favor. If he takes off the 1 or the 6, and doesn't get a breakout of them, he has a serious problem.
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I mean, I hear what you're saying but to put another way, if you were solids, do you REALLY think you have even a remote chance at losing if you get back to the table? I'd say, if I were stripes and you were solids, if I play safe, my chances of winning drop to 2% (at best). You're simply not going to let me see that stripe again and even if you do, you're not going to let me have a great break-out opportunity. If I'm playing you, Neil, I am definitely going to take my chances and go for the break-out now.
 
Robley's shot (if I'm reading it right) is the best thing I came up with, followed by supergreenman's. If you aim to cross bank and hit a little fat, the 12 actually ends up going 3 rails near that busy side pocket. That might be worth playing instead of greenman's version. Same general idea.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
I should have mentioned something about the equipment since that's pretty important. On new cloth, you're 100% right. I would have drawn the crap out of it and broken it out. It was very old cloth and I was sure to either miss it completely or move the blockers insignificantly.
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Jude, on older cloth that is worn, I would think that the draw shot break out would be easier to do, since the bottom spin would catch sooner. On newer cloth, since the ball is sliding longer, wouldn't that make drawing into it slightly more difficult? Just curious here, this has always been my understanding of older cloth/newer cloth.
 
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I might try making my last stripe in the upper left-hand corner, trying to put the cueball back where it was before the shot. Then I would use the five ball to nudge the eight ball off the rail and right in front of the side pocket all the while tying the five up with the three ball on the rail so close to the eight that a decent break-out shot is very hard to pull off. I realize that giving up ball-in-hand is always a bad thing to do, but I believe you just might get away with it in this scenario.

But then, I suck at pool big-time!!!

Maniac
 
These types of threads are absolutely awesome for a beginner like me. I always enjoy seeing one posted, looking at the OP for a while to see what little I can see, and then seeing the multiple different ways the better players show how to address it. Sometimes I surprise myself. Not often ;)

Thanks for this thread (and all the similar others)

I look forward to another lesson soon. :o
 
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I like leaving the 12 ball across from the 8 ball. All roads lead to a possible break out on your next turn shooting your last ball and it's tough to safety against. Unless they make a super Johnny Archer move, you're probably gonna see a corner of your ball. From this angle you can spin with some speed and not get tied up.
Drawing into 3 balls is like having your wife help you move the fridge up a flight of stairs. It ain't happenin'!:grin-square:
 
cuetechasaurus said:
Jude, on older cloth that is worn, I would think that the draw shot break out would be easier to do, since the bottom spin would catch sooner. On newer cloth, since the ball is sliding longer, wouldn't that make drawing into it slightly more difficult? Just curious here, this has always been my understanding of older cloth/newer cloth.
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You're correct - new cloth is slippery and pobably wouldn't hold the ball.

I wasn't even talking about a power draw shot. My shot choice would be a draw stun shot. I'm going to set up the shot at home tonight and try it.

From what I can see I would aim fat on the 12, almost straight on it, one tip right and one tip low and hit it hard. I would throw the 12 into the hole and the cueball would come back and slightly right - the spin would take into the rail and assist the cue ball speed backward, busting the cluster. Draw alone would not do it. The main thing is to hit the 12 as full as possible.

The shot probably wasn't "on" for Jude, so the layout could be a little off too. The WEI table is weird at times.

Chris
 
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