I also think this is the best approach. By gently bumping the 5 into the 8 thus leaving the 8 near the side pocket, you're putting a lot of pressure on your opponent to get out even with BIH.
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How Would You Play This? 4/1/10
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I also think this is the best approach. By gently bumping the 5 into the 8 thus leaving the 8 near the side pocket, you're putting a lot of pressure on your opponent to get out even with BIH.
i'd pocket the 6 call safe and try to stick the cb behind the 3 tied up balls.
Get "south" of the eight
Can you pocket the twelve with either low right to draw "south" of the eight, or top left to go three rails and get "south" of the eight. Then, just push the eight into the rail for a safe?????
Can you pocket the twelve with either low right to draw "south" of the eight, or top left to go three rails and get "south" of the eight. Then, just push the eight into the rail for a safe?????
I just tried the shot - it's definitely do-able but it's difficult to hit it with enough speed to clear the 8 out. The 12 has to be thrown in for the cue ball to get on the right path. I did it three times and got one difficult cut shot on the 8. A couple times I tried it again - difficult but definitely a possibility. In fact, thowing the 12 in, a couple of times I drew past the cluster without even touching a rail. It seems impossible but it just depends on whether you hit the 12 full enough.
Chris
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I'm inclined to agree with you that repositioning the 12 to the middle of the table is the better strategy.
He tried cross banking the 12 to pocket it and breaking the cluster, then got locked up on the 8 and lost. At least he went for it.
Chris
Aah, I see it now, somehow I missed that post???I have to say, I'm surprised the dbl kiss wasn't there.
Hah - I think he drew a crappy WEI table on that shot - the 12 was probably a little closer to the cushion and further from the corner. He used right but you would need more room than what's showing.
Chris
I would try to lay the 12 up near the hole and hope that my opponent would try for a run out instead of breaking his 5/3 out. My opponent has to break out the 5/3 in order to have a chance to win. If he ever gives me a shot while he is breaking the 5/3 out or trying to run out all of the balls, the 12 would be in a position to be made and easy break out shape on the 5/3/8.
Getting the 12 out to the middle of the table where you can break out the 8 if you ever get a shot wouldn't be so bad but it you're playing me, I'm going to loosen up the 5/3 and get cue ball in hand before I try a run out on the solids.
JoeyA
Tap Tap Tap :thumbup:
good example for thinkin in percentage! IN this special layout you re usualy caused to try to run out. (or you re playin against an absolute beginner). Think in percentages ..it helps
Plan B
Did anyone already suggest this? After staring at it a little more I saw it. It's a very soft controlled shot and the double kiss may need to be considered.
Basically you get the CB to hit the 3 full (hitting the 5 might work too) and just control the speed so that it only rearranges things by a few inches. The 8 hangs out in front of the hole but with luck at least the 3 (and maybe the 5 also) stay in a really awkward spot where they are heavily covered by the 8 and don't really go in either corner. Hopefully you can hand your 12 near the pocket. It's his tough runout vs. your 2 ducks.
Did anyone already suggest this? After staring at it a little more I saw it. It's a very soft controlled shot and the double kiss may need to be considered.
Basically you get the CB to hit the 3 full (hitting the 5 might work too) and just control the speed so that it only rearranges things by a few inches. The 8 hangs out in front of the hole but with luck at least the 3 (and maybe the 5 also) stay in a really awkward spot where they are heavily covered by the 8 and don't really go in either corner. Hopefully you can hand your 12 near the pocket. It's his tough runout vs. your 2 ducks.
If you are down to one ball and your opponent has five or six balls on the table, if there is a chance to win on your inning, you need to go for it. Against a good player, trying to play safe in this situation is a guaranteed loss.
Not so. IMO If you call safe, then pocket the 12, leaving the cue ball on the end rail near the middle diamond; you are almost guaranteed another inning. Depending on the thought process of your opponent, he might take a flyer at the 1 in the side with a breakout for the cluster. Its low percentage for almost anybody. If he wants to play safe off the 1, he has to hit it up and down the table using at least 1 rail, maybe 2 depending on how thick he hits the 1. At that point you have a one rail kick safe on the 8. If he wants to bump the 3 to the rail and lock you up from the 8, pocket the 1 and leave him the 6 to try and break up the cluster with bih.
The 8 should have been moved earlier, but it is what it is. You have to know how your opponent thinks, and what they will go for. Its like pushing out in 9 ball, leave them a 50-50% or less shot, hoping they will go for it. If they dont, reevaluate the table at that point and go from there.
Chuck
safe ,schmafe
Sorry,IMNSHO, gotta agree with cuetechsaurus. If you call safe and make 12 , or if you do anything to give up ball in hand you will never see the light of day again. I'd hide that cue ball better than Jimmy Hoffa's body.
Sorry,IMNSHO, gotta agree with cuetechsaurus. If you call safe and make 12 , or if you do anything to give up ball in hand you will never see the light of day again. I'd hide that cue ball better than Jimmy Hoffa's body.