Cowboy Jimmy Moore - Obviously Using Center to Edge
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Doesn't surprise me. He might be interested in reading this thread from the beginning. The term "CTE" or "center-to-edge" wasn't used during his time.
The system is for POCKETING balls,you dont LAY the ob down anywhere but in the pocket using CTE,You dont know anything about CTE or you would not have made that comment
No, sorry. Not during our match.
Lou Figueroa
maybe he only does it
on Gold Crowns
That's pretty amazing since 99% of his shots he lines up left to right. What were you looking at, the girl with the scorecard?
In all sincerity, I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it will move the discussion further on up the road.
Lou Figueroa
Well, maybe if you knew anything about 1pocket you would not have made your comment.
OK. I will admit I'm not a CTE expert. But it seems to me that if you're using this system to send object balls into pockets, from all different angles on the table, then it stands to reason that you could employ the exact same system to send an object ball to a precise point on the rail. IOW, it's about sending a ball to a target. And if the system has any validity at all, whatever and wherever that target is is immaterial.
No?
Lou Figueroa
Unfortunately, players are not appropriated scorecard girls at the DCC.
Perhaps the player's union should put a request in to Greg Sullivan.
Lou Figueroa
BJ told me he's still alive, 95 years old and living in assisted-living. I was told he thinks it's 1933... so unfortunately, I can't call him for "the knowledge."
Maybe
Dave-
consider that the information might be more accessible from an elderly man 'living in 1933'.
From personal observation-sometimes old information is more readily recalled than recent memory. (as described to me-written to the hard drive/vs flash memory). Particularly if the vintage memories are of something pleasant and have been often retold or revisited during life.
Good luck in your project/and Stan as well.
Take care
Dave-
consider that the information might be more accessible from an elderly man 'living in 1933'.
From personal observation-sometimes old information is more readily recalled than recent memory. (as described to me-written to the hard drive/vs flash memory). Particularly if the vintage memories are of something pleasant and have been often retold or revisited during life.
Good luck in your project/and Stan as well.
Take care
NO? You are not going to line up and go through a HALF BALL pivot and shoot it in the rail unless you miss
or are banking to make the ball .As a cte player playing 1p ,(and I am not 1p stupid either)Your not doing a HALF BALL pivot to move balls around.I am 42 not 19 and he would not be doing that repeatable pivot on ever shot as he would running a rack of say 9 or 10 ball and this conversation is over.
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Fez is now 97 years old and his memory is a bit jumbled at times. Many people on this forum know Fez or know of Fez. Everybody knows that Fez would love to tell stories of the road from his times with Cowboy Jimmy Moore, and Don Willis. Knowing that Fez loved to talk, I am pretty sure that I am not the only one that has talked to Fez about this topic.
Cowboy Jimmy Moore never called the system CTE. Hal Houle named HIS system CTE. What Jimmy Moore used was a system that was learned by studying Ralph Greenleaf - and extracting bits information from him in regards to how he made some those impossible shots. It is unclear of how they learned it - but I can only pass along what I was told - and that was that it was learned from watching and studying Greenleaf.
That is not fiction or fantasy, it is something that Jimmy Moore said directly to me - and Fez had told me the same story several times before I heard it DIRECTLY from Jimmy Moore. Whether or not you believe that is NEVER going to change the effectiveness of the system, so knock yourself out.
As far as all of the CTE "controversy" or whatever you want to call it, if those that are interested want to learn about it, then I highly recommend it. Even if it doesn't work for you, you will be in the learning process, and that is a very good place to stay as a pool player.
If it doesn't work for you, then you can eliminate it as a resource and move on with your life. Just remember that it does work for a lot of players, and IMO, it is at least worth the time and effort to learn for those who have never tried it before.
Personally, I will never force anybody to learn anything. It's not worth the fight. An open mind is a black hole for knowledge, and a closed mind is a brick wall for knowledge. I don't wast my time trying to hammer through brick walls.
As far as this topic goes, I just wanted to state some facts that I knew and provide sources of those facts amidst a thread full of assumptions and endless debate. One of my sources is Fez, another one is Cowboy Jimmy Moore, and the last source is the videos. If you know what to look for you will CLEARLY see it in the videos Dave provided. If you don't see it, then IMO, that pretty much disqualifies you as an expert in regards to this topic.
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This conversation is over?! Well, maybe your half
But on the off chance you're still out there... let me ask you: what is the difference between these two shots, and more importantly, why can you use your super-duper aluminum foil cap decoder ring pivot but ha-ha you can't see me do it system on one and not the other?
Just askin'.
Lou Figueroa
Certainly, nothing wrong with an open mind. But I think we could agree: it needs to be a open mind that takes the time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Or maybe more appropriately: the snake oil from the snake antivenom.
Lou Figueroa
It's unfair to call people close-minded, because they are not convinced of a system that despises logic.
Lou,
I think more people would be inclined to answer if you'd knock-off the super-decoder-ring crap.
You obviously have zero respect for this type of technique (which is odd as a student of the game), but it is what it is. Just leave it at that and at least be civil.
Dave
I think more people would be inclined to answer if you'd knock-off the super-decoder-ring crap.
You obviously have zero respect for this type of technique (which is odd as a student of the game), but it is what it is. Just leave it at that and at least be civil.
Dave
I'd love to cut the first and bank the second shot for shot with you someday. I'll bring some Dial soap so you can wash the snake-oil off
Cowboy Jimmy Moore
I am not interested in talking to Fez about this subject, only to know if he is still alive as I would like to see him. I was a very close friend of Fez and am the only living protege of Jimmy Moore. I am self taught by a way that comes from my original techniques but it was complemented by racking for, practicing with, picking his mind and watching him play(in front and behind him)for decades(plus road trips). There is another source of Jimmy's knowledge out here in the universe. 1986 Billiards Digest to confirm.
Jimmy,Fez and Don Willis will always be alive to me as they were my mentors and some of the best memories I have growing up playing pool.
I am not interested in talking to Fez about this subject, only to know if he is still alive as I would like to see him. I was a very close friend of Fez and am the only living protege of Jimmy Moore. I am self taught by a way that comes from my original techniques but it was complemented by racking for, practicing with, picking his mind and watching him play(in front and behind him)for decades(plus road trips). There is another source of Jimmy's knowledge out here in the universe. 1986 Billiards Digest to confirm.
Jimmy,Fez and Don Willis will always be alive to me as they were my mentors and some of the best memories I have growing up playing pool.
The claims for "the system" are so over the top -- what with this pivot and that pivot and the you can't see the pivot pivot -- that you guys should be willing to take a little good-natured ribbing. Of course there is the small issue that to date, there seems to be little to back up the claims for the system, other than the anecdotal, the testimonials of the believers, and self-righteous claim.
Where's the science?
Lou Figueroa
I'd love to cut the first and bank the second shot for shot with you someday. I'll bring some Dial soap so you can wash the snake-oil off
And what would that prove?
Pool is about running balls. And I suspect that is where your system breaks down, unless you're interested in shooting circus shot after circus shot...
Lou Figueroa