Cowboy Jimmy Moore - Obviously Using Center to Edge
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It's when we get into the hyperbole that there's a problem
Lou Figueroa
With statements like this its hard to give you much credibility.[/QUOTE]
hmmm, coming from you, I guess I'll just have to get over that.
Lou Figueroa
stop it
you're killin'
me
Bob Jewett asking me, "What's a table pivot" is like me asking Bob, "What's a webcam?"
That's why I didn't answer. If you didn't know that, you ARE a silly guy, Lou.
What i dont quite get is the fact that you have to pivot from the proper starting point or the initial aiming point right? You cant just pivot from anywhere Im sure. So If you can get that initial aiming point right then you can just aim directly where you need to from the start, no?
My apologies if this has been addressed already.
My apologies if this has been addressed already.
Guess I don't get it.
So what's a table pivot? I really don't know.
Lou Figueroa
Using CTE you are lining up with/off an edge,not an aiming point.This is a pre pivot alignment.You offset your tip and hip pivot to center.Let me add that I can show you how to line up and pivot and make all the shots without regard to angle or ever looking at the pocket,but even though I show you and you start making the balls,it takes practice.The better you get at seeing the edge I show you and the line I show you to put your foot on,and pivoting the less you will miss.Even if you know it takes time to get good at it,and be discipline
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Roger,
Did you ever ask Cowboy Jimmy Moore directly about the way he lined up his shots and why?
I did.
I know something you don't know!
:nanner:
If he did ask and it wasn't about ghostball, it probably went in one ear and out the other.
No, I never asked him. Unfortunately, I never even got the chance to meet him.
David, if you have some first-hand information concerning whether or not Cowboy Jimmy Moore used CTE, it could go a long way to clearing up controversy surrounding the subject of this thread. We both know, however, that it wouldn't even begin to clear up the controversy surrounding CTE.
Roger
I believe "table pivot" means that you pivot after you put your bridge hand on the table. There is also the "air pivot" where you pivot before you get down on the shot.
Don't play much 1pocket, do you
So now it's a "ball pocketing system" and not an "aiming system."
Lou Figueroa
nice
Does it matter if I play one pocket, I answered your questions.
Ok, I tried this for the first time tonight and unless I was doing something really, really wrong, which is possible, shouldn't the line be on the other side of the cue ball?
I assume you, like peteypooldude, always align to the left side of the cue ball. That is one point that I did not and still don't totally understand.
I tried it for the first time tonight and I aligned to the right or left depending on the shot. It was pretty obvious which side I should align to.
However, I am not even sure I really pivoted, per se. I would lay the cue down to either side of the cue ball towards the center of the object ball and align to it naturally; no visible pivot.
Even though it sounds like I wasn't doing it totally correct, I was pretty impressed with my initial results. I think peteypooldude said it the best when he said it tells you where to set you feet. It really takes the guesswork out of it.
I found that my pocketing ability was much better for long, medium cuts; extreme cuts, straight in shots and backward cuts towards a blind pocket.
Again, this was my first time trying it, but I gotta say it is something I will continue to use for some of the more difficult shots just because it takes the guesswork out of it.
OK, thanks, TPS. So... just trying to keep this straight, so far we have: The Table Pivot; The Air Pivot; The Hip Pivot; I think I saw an Elbow Pivot; and then The Pivot That Hides The Pivot So You Can't See I'm Pivoting Pivot.
Have I missed one, or is that it? Anyone?
Lou Figueroa
speak up now
or forever hold
your pivot
OK, fine. I was just trying to point out that while the first shot was obviously a 9ball shot, and the other obviously a 1pocket shot, they were, in effect, the same shot.
But since CTE is a ball pocketing system vs an aiming system, I now can see that you couldn't possibly use the same system for both shots and what you're saying makes perfect sense.
Lou Figueroa
(not)
OK, I saw those two short clips of this Cowboy guy who pivots at the last moment prior to stroke. Yes, it is obvious. And? I just don't think this is good technique at all regardless of how good he was.
I'm not that obsessed with fundamentals, but any kind of sideways movement of body, feet, hips or God forbid arm itself while in shooting stance already can't possibly be OK?
I'm not that obsessed with fundamentals, but any kind of sideways movement of body, feet, hips or God forbid arm itself while in shooting stance already can't possibly be OK?