The way it really went down

[billychips]

Dave: You need to sit back and think about all this without the emotion you now have vested in it. I believe most will agree with what I am going to say.

You feel that you will get in a game with anyone that can come up with the money as long as they act like a gentleman. You want to play, not deal with all the B.S. That is a good attitude to have.

Now, I wasn't there, but for the sake of this argument, let's just say that Scott was a total jerk during the match. This ticked you off, and rightfully so. So, now, you have to ask yourself, as a gentleman, how should you handle it?? If you airbarrel the last set, then you have to accept the fact that you are not a gentleman, and have done far worse in the match than anything Scott did. So, how can you possibly be upset with Scott for his actions, when yours are far worse???

Granted, you want to punish him for his actions. There's a better way, and a gentlemans way to do that. You lost. Pay up. You still have your gentlemans standing, but you tell him what a fool he is. You would have lost another $150K to him if he acted right. He didn't, so now he is out the additional money that he will NEVER get a shot at. He can sit and watch while others get a shot at it.

All you are doing by not paying, and stating so publicly, is telling us all that you are a thief, and your word means nothing. You are not to be trusted. You may think you have pulled one over on Scott, but you haven't. All you have done is sullied yourself.

Sure, you will still get plenty of action. For the same reason pool will never get anywhere. Too many are in it for themselves, and don't care about making things better. Nowadays, it seems like everyone wants to airbarrel, and doesn't think a thing of it. In the old days, if you airbarreled, you got what was coming to you. And, for an amount this large, you would be lucky to live.

Anyway you look at it, you are becoming a thief by trying to exact revenge on Scott. Extremely foolish thing to do. And, it's not even about the money. It's all about, he didn't treat me right, so I am going to sell out my character. Foolish, foolish, foolish.

When you hurt yourself as much as you have trying to hurt someone else, what have you gained??? What is Scott's actual end of it?? Nowheres near $50k, not even half of that. Is it worth it??

A real gentleman, for that matter, a real man, would let it be known why Scott will not get another game with you. Not try and extort him like you say he is trying to do to you. That would be the only thing to do in a well known case like this. If it was private, someone could easily get killed. But, any violence when everyone knows it is just plain stupid. How can you say he is extorting you when you have admitted that you owe him the money?? You are doing nothing but making yourself worse than what you don't like about him.

Where did Dippy ever admit he owed Scott any money? He has said from the beginning that he paid in full. Where are you guys reading this at?

 

[JB Cases]

Dippy's gambling days are over

Hardly. The only time a gambler's gambling days are over is when he can't get any more money up.

 

[mlalum]

I would vote for ending this thread.

Lenny showed remarkably bad judgement in posting this practically assuring that if Scott was owed money that he wasn't going to get paid. That was the only possible outcome. Then of course Scott finished it off by trying to strong arm Dippy. Nobody is going to get paid anything now.

For the first time I find myself agreeing with BillyChips. This is now serious business and the lectures to Dippy offered up by the railbirds are pretty rediculous given the gravity of the situation and these people not there to see all the details. Popping off is one thing (i do it all the time) But Wars have been started over much less and if you're going to incite then you need to take up arms or be quiet. It needs to get OFFLINE.

And people need to think seriously about the value of bringing serious personal issues to a forum liike this. Having seen the greedy feeding frenzy around dippy and some of scott's behavior I can clearly see some of his points. And Dippy did already give (and i mean give) $100 K to the Scott group. But of course you got to pay. However there is enough gray area for this not to be and open closed case. Either way it should be offline because people could get hurt or otherwise damaged.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Dippy's gambling days are over

Lol

Definitely NOT

 

[Bigjohn]

Hardly. The only time a gambler's gambling days are over is when he can't get any more money up.

that's exactly right and appearantly, he doesn't have any or he wouldnt be stiffin people on lost bets... and who's gonna take his bet

 

[JAM]

Dippy's gambling days are over

I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

I do wonder which would be worse: to be a crawfish or a welsh.

One thing for sure, you can't call Dippy a crawfish. :grin-square:

A crawfish, they're a time a dozen in the pool world. Hmm, now I'm hungry.

 

[ribdoner]

WOW, some growed up folks are doing really silly things

 

[mlalum]

that's exactly right and appearantly, he doesn't have any or he wouldnt be stiffin people on lost bets... and who's gonna take his bet

You are late to this party John

 

[Roy Steffensen]

that's exactly right and appearantly, he doesn't have any or he wouldnt be stiffin people on lost bets... and who's gonna take his bet

This happened a month ago

Dippy has been betting 50k sets after and will continue to do

 

[JAM]

Just finished reading your post..funny stuff...Kid had more balls then brains sounds like..lol...I had a kid in florida one time we beat out of $2000 tell us to follow him to his house to get paid..left us his $400 dollar cue then we follow him & he starts going faster & faster..then runs the 1st red light..so we run it too...then runs a 2nd light now we pushing 100 mph...we finally had to just let him go..wasn't worth dying over..least we got the cue tho..lol

LOL! Now, that's funny. Wow! :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

Yep, sometimes you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to -- [clearing throat] -- run.

 

[JoeW]

Has anyone considered that following his "bad behavior" Dippy D may be using his prior actions to set something up. Some one is going to want to take him down and may be willing to get a large sum of money (via the internet?) to do it.

Is this a new type of hustle?

His behavior and his stateents are far too stupid -- is there something else going on ??? While his actions are stupid it is difficult to believe that he is not reasonably intelligent.

 

[billychips]

Has anyone considered that following his "bad behavior" Dippy D may be using his prior actions to set something up. Some one is going to want to take him down and may be willing to get a large sum of money (via the internet?) to do it.

Is this a new type of hustle?

His behavior and his stateents are far too stupid -- is there something else going on ??? While his actions are stupid it is difficult to believe that he is not reasonably inteligent.

Go away, please. And learn how to spell intelligent.

 

[cuesmith]

And Dippy did already give (and i mean give) $100 K to the Scott group.

Most of what you said had some credence though I don't necessarily agree
but I don't see where you got the idea they were stealing with that spot! As I understand Dave was getting the 4, the breaks and ball in hand after the break, plus 3 games on the wire! Am I right about this? In my opinion Scott outran the nuts, if that was the spot. Had I been there I would have probably gone bust betting on Dave!

 

[GINGERBREAD_MAN]

Dippy contends that Scott disrespected him when they were playing and doesn't deserve to get paid. Really. He says that when you have a good one hooked you should treat him with respect, because it's not often you get the opportunity to play with a gentlemen and especially for the amt that was wagered. Who ever heard of opening the door to let a little humidity in the room, I sure never have. And putting moisture on the balls was a first, right? Tricks like that are unforgiveable and should be treated as such. Ask any pool hustler. Geez, even the lilly white Dipper can contest to that. Futher more to have someone assault someone is crossing the line, finally some sense is coming out, but at a untimely time. But should that be enough to support Dippers reasoning for not wanting to pay or he he still trying to wiggle out of an obligation? What about the SUV? SUV,SUV, that's part of the package and I keep that too..

I know you are just stating Dippys view butt it sounds like you actually agree with him in this statement. It's funny how after all the gambling that went on over the course of many weeks that these things come about during a huge set like this. Why would anyone open a door in Vegas especially to a poolroom unless it was somekind of move, not saying it was. You say these acts are unforgiveable and should be treated as such and that is obviously the way Dippy see's it as well.

I really feel that you're an honorable man who has good intentions, but at this time you are acting stubborn about a situation that doesn't deserve the cosequent that you have given US.

I would rethink this sentence because it sounds like you are saying Dave does not deserve the actions that have been taken against him from you guy's.

P.S. I know you paid Billy the extra 5,000 he bet. That is all! And Billy was in for half on the rest and you know that too. One more thing, either give Scott the title to the truck or return his 10K. That is the right thing to do.

Though it is really no one's business who bet what, from what this and previous posts state, Billy had $22,000 bet, Scott had $22,000 bet and Lenny and his partner had $4,000 bet. Billy has been around long enough to know that when someone comes to you and says they only have half the money for the last set, you make them post it. Was there a stipulation that said no one could leave the poolroom. I mean why did'nt Billy or Scott or whoever else say we can wait until you have all the money. That one act would have made this thread obsolete.

 

[JAM]

Most of what you said had some credence though I don't necessarily agree
but I don't see where you got the idea they were stealing with that spot! As I understand Dave was getting the 4, the breaks and ball in hand after the break, plus 3 games on the wire! Am I right about this? In my opinion Scott outran the nuts, if that was the spot. Had I been there I would have probably gone bust betting on Dave!

For sure, it's a good idea to know how the games transpired.

I'm not a one-pocket mechanic or anything, but when a shooter's balls are supposed to be spotted, shouldn't they be spotted before the player shoots?

I mean, if the player sees he has a good shot for his pocket, but won't have a good shot if his balls are spotted, and it's now his turn to shoot, I don't think the player is supposed to shoot until those balls are spotted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the way one-pocket is played?

I guess it's difficult to play one-hole if you're not playing pool on a regular basis, you know, to remember the rules and everything.

 

[JB Cases]

that's exactly right and appearantly, he doesn't have any or he wouldnt be stiffin people on lost bets... and who's gonna take his bet

I doubt it's a money issue. As you can see there are hurt egos on both sides.

No idea really but I bet Dave has had well more than this in poker action in between the time he played Scott and now.

Well popcorn is all out so it's bedtime - Landon Shuffet just put on a Pro1 clinic at the junior nationals.

 

[TATE]

In reference to the way Dippy handled the 50K debt.

Does the end justify the means??

If Dippy had an issue with moisture on the balls then it should of been cleared up at that time, and if Dippy didn't want the door to be open while he was playing that also should of been resolved at the appropiate time. But to use that as a reason to stiff EVERYONE certainly is a very crude and cheap way out. Period!!

I was actually just updating the readers who don't do into the Action Room what Dave was upset about.

But since you mention it, yes I do consider rubbing the balls with moisture to be cheating and a move well beneath a championship caliber player spotting a "c" player, especially a whale.

That being said, I do not think it was worth more than a couple of games in the set and if Dave allowed it, then the 50K stiff is not justified.

Chris

 

[JAM]

I doubt it's a money issue. As you can see there are hurt egos on both sides.

No idea really but I bet Dave has had well more than this in poker action in between the time he played Scott and now.

Well popcorn is all out so it's bedtime - Landon Shuffet just put on a Pro1 clinic at the junior nationals.

Good night, John-Boy! :boring2:

 

[mlalum]

Most of what you said had some credence though I don't necessarily agree
but I don't see where you got the idea they were stealing with that spot! As I understand Dave was getting the 4, the breaks and ball in hand after the break, plus 3 games on the wire! Am I right about this? In my opinion Scott outran the nuts, if that was the spot. Had I been there I would have probably gone bust betting on Dave!

I would guess you've never seen dippy play in his current form.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Dave:

Please clarify for us, are you maintaining that you squared up the $50k payment for the 3rd set? And if so, can you once and for all provide us with a when, where, and who was there to witness and can confirm payment was made?

OR:

Are you saying for whatever reasons (Scott spitting, stomping, ball wetting, door opening, general dislike of Scott) that you do not wish to pay up for this debt?

And the final question:

Did you receive $10k from Bartram on behalf of Scott for the SUV purchase? Yes or No?

Basically, answering these simple three questions is all that really matters at this point. All of the rest of the nonsense regarding reputation, backgammon, ballet dancing, etc., etc., are all irrelavent subterfuge.

So please, sir, will you answer for us?

Best,
Brian kc

If this has not been posted, it should have been a long time ago.