The way it really went down

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You know, Frost and Gabe (in his match up before the Frost matchup) handled this whole thing wrong. Here you have a world class sucker in pool, and they got him to be angry. I mean the first rule of dealing with suckers is the sucker is always right. Everyone who has ever gambled knows this. These guys got Dippy HOT, and instead of winning millions, they only got him for a 100k or 150k or so.

Dippy, this isn't an insult to you, but more an insult to the seasoned pool gamblers you played, that let you off their hook because they couldn't see the big picture.

Oh, man, I don't know who you are, but you hit the nail right on the head! :)

Best post in the thread, bar none! ;)
 
ONce again after scott tried to robb me i took his truck, take me to court scott, please!!!!!!!!! hope we get a woman judge and she finds out how you treat women.

Dippy, if your trying to make Scott pay for things he has done then just say so, your not God but are trying to play with him like you are. Your accusations about Scott have no bearing on a court case and would not even come up in court plus it has nothing to do with you not paying either. I get it Dippy, you think Scott is a bad guy and treated you badly show your showing him and making him pay, brilliant.
 
Even if it does work out time-wise, it proves nothing though. Scott beat Dave out of $100k before the 3rd set, so Scott would have had a significant bankroll on him anyway.

Still, interesting enough, as it likely explains why Scott wanted to borrow money afterwords.

Nathan, don't forget about the chop-chop. SF might have beaten DD out of 100 large, but after the chop-chop, consisting of maybe four of five entities, how much do you think SF really pocketed? :eek:

Not so long ago, my other half was offered an 80/20 split by a stakehorse to compete in a challenge match, with the player getting 20 and the stakehorse getting 80. Nice deal, huh?! :(
 
Who hands over 10k for a car and doesn't have some sort of contract/receipt written out? just because the guy's doing well he's above ripping someone off? trust was the problem here
 
ONce again after scott tried to robb me i took his truck, take me to court scott, please!!!!!!!!! hope we get a woman judge and she finds out how you treat women.

I'm not so sure I understand. I've seen Scott Frost with his girlfriend(s) in the past, and he treats them like a porcelain doll in public.

That said, I do not agree with violence. I don't care if it's a man or a woman doing the assault and/or battery.

Don't think women's hands are lily clean either, DD. They can drive a man to do things they wouldn't normally do. Not saying a woman deserves to get hit by a man, but sometimes women strike first. Then what's the man supposed to do? What goes on behind closed doors, one never knows. That's all I'm saying. :wink:
 
Nathan, don't forget about the chop-chop. SF might have beaten DD out of 100 large, but after the chop-chop, consisting of maybe four of five entities, how much do you think SF really pocketed? :eek:

Not so long ago, my other half was offered an 80/20 split by a stakehorse to compete in a challenge match, with the player getting 20 and the stakehorse getting 80. Nice deal, huh?! :(

80/20 can be a good deal if playing 10k a set, after all it's a can't lose situation for the player while the backer gives odds on his money.

I would play a 10k match with me getting 2k if I win, and no need to pay if I lose.
 
yes lenny me making it so scott has to walk was cause he tried to robb me, why else would it be done just a few hours after he did it to me. Its not me being god, its me being a man saying hey im not going to stand here and let you do shit to me.


Lenny please before you keep insulting me, find one person other then scott that can say i have stiffed them? Just one, i can tell you there is only one and its from 10 years ago for 500$ and if i ever see him again he will get paid,

you speak like you know facts but the truth is you have no choice to believe your friend,

lenny you never answered my question would you let scott date your sister or your mom?

To your knowelge has scott ever hit a woman,

has he ever cheated or not payed anyone?

has he ever dumped anyone?

If you won 50k today and scott said he needed it to goto vegas for the weekend just to flash around would you let him take it there by him self and not wonder if it was safe>?/


be honest lenny,

I do not have a sister, lets not go there about my mother, she is no cougar, lmao. I answered all your questions in my thread so check them out. I did not hold back and was honest. I do not know certain things as fact, I just know of my dealings personally with him. I do not trust many people, a handful in my life and especially in pool. I still do not get what your accusations of Scott have to do with you not paying Scott or taking the truck which he payed for. So taking his 10k and the truck is right in your mind because he was pissed he got stiffed. I highly doubt Scott is going to risk the trouble trying to "rob" you in front of everyone in the poolroom if you did not owe him the money for real.

Things dont add up Dave and I am not an idiot, your story has too many holes in it. You provide the damn recording, you got some pull in LV right?, you prove it and it will be done, you tell us who was with Scott and who was with you along with the time and the exact place at the Aria you met, you never answered about those questions because you already got busted on that one with Billy.
 
80/20 can be a good deal if playing 10k a set, after all it's a can't lose situation for the player while the backer gives odds on his money.

I would play a 10k match with me getting 2k if I win, and no need to pay if I lose.

Maybe that's acceptable to you, Roy, but my horse thought it stunk to high heaven when the offer was made. Players have expenses, too. By the time he paid his expenses, he might not even break even, and that's only if he won. If he lost, he'd be out all the travel/lodging monies. :sorry:

80/20 split is not the norm. I've heard of 60/40 and even 70/30, but 80/20 is a joke.
 
Maybe that's acceptable to you, Roy, but my horse thought it stunk to high heaven when the offer was made. Players have expenses, too. By the time he paid his expenses, he might not even break even, and that's only if he won. If he lost, he'd be out all the travel/lodging monies. :sorry:

80/20 split is not the norm. I've heard of 60/40 and even 70/30, but 80/20 is a joke.

Well, I thought it was obvious that I would not travel from Norway to New York for such a deal.

I was more thinking if I got such an offer while being at the action spot.

If not, I would have demanded my costs covered
 
Well, I thought it was obvious that I would not travel from Norway to New York for such a deal.

I was more thinking if I got such an offer while being at the action spot.

If not, I would have demanded my costs covered

Roy, I still don't think many players would enjoy an 80/20 split. I realize the stakehorse of putting up all the cheese and stands the biggest risk of losing, but the player is the one performing -- you know, "Dance, Monkey, Dance" -- sometimes all night long or a couple days to win that cheese. After expenses, the player, even if he wins and pockets 20 percent, might only break even. That is all I am saying.

Of course, if I played good enough for somebody to offer me a free shot at 20 percent, I'd jump in a heartbeat. Players who know how hard it is to win, don't think a 20-percent slice is very filling. In fact, some find it insulting. :eek:
 
Roy, I still don't think many players would enjoy an 80/20 split. I realize the stakehorse of putting up all the cheese and stands the biggest risk of losing, but the player is the one performing -- you know, "Dance, Monkey, Dance" -- sometimes all night long or a couple days to win that cheese. After expenses, the player, even if he wins and pockets 20 percent, might only break even. That is all I am saying.

Of course, if I played good enough for somebody to offer me a free shot at 20 percent, I'd jump in a heartbeat. Players who know how hard it is to win, don't think a 20-percent slice is very filling. In fact, some find it insulting. :eek:

I'm not good enough to find such a deal insulting :D
 
I do gamble on occasion. as a hobby. just as you do. but i don't gamble in seedy situations, i dont' try to rob people, i don't cheat or try to find some edge, i didn't take advantage of the dippy situation, i will knock your action if i feel it's unfair but i mostly donate and try to gravitate toward decent people. i think i only gamble because to play anyone good at pool they seem to want to bet. and i like to play good players. i don't really bet that much. i recently put money in on the bartram match because bartram said he needed the money to complete the bet so i did to help him out. I'd just rather play. But that's pool.

If you're trying to make the point that because i do that I'm the same as Scott Frost and Dippy and Billy well I guess you can do that. But you're smart enough to know that's not true. If people said no gambling forever it wouldn't affect me playing my daily one pocket games because i just like to play pool.

I'd like to see more pool on tv or tournaments between the top players but i can't because the pool culture is so rotten no one with any money or reputation is going to sponsor it. Why because no one can trust a professional pool player. No one can trust professional pool promoters. It goes on and on. And because of things like on this thread. all the people that say they've done so much for pool , with some exceptions, are actually making a living off of pool. Not helping. Their helping to make a living not helping pool.

This post just proves that you don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. Not about pool, and not about life in general. Maybe it's time you get your rose colored glasses off and start seeing things for what they really are.

My advice to you, go back in the shallow end of the pool. You are trying to sound like you belong in the deep end, and you don't even know how to swim. Seriously, you really don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Go learn some before you start spouting off about how things should be, or what makes pool bad. To be honest, one of the things that make it bad, are guys like you spouting off total B.S. to try and make the game look bad.
 
This post just proves that you don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. Not about pool, and not about life in general. Maybe it's time you get your rose colored glasses off and start seeing things for what they really are.

My advice to you, go back in the shallow end of the pool. You are trying to sound like you belong in the deep end, and you don't even know how to swim. Seriously, you really don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Go learn some before you start spouting off about how things should be, or what makes pool bad. To be honest, one of the things that make it bad, are guys like you spouting off total B.S. to try and make the game look bad.
Instead of engaging the debate and refuting his points you went right to the insults. You could have at least offered a counter point attached to the insult. It would've at least held some weight...you know "clued" him in. A lot of what he brings up is of legitimate concern amongst a greater fan base with in this sport.

I'd also like to add that I won't return the negative rep received by you in this thread because I don't feel like a thread like this would be a fair assessment of the reputation you may carry as it pertains to your knowledge of the game and how it might help or not help others. I think the rep button is better used in its rightful capacity. Its not a popularity button.

Good luck friend.
 
Instead of engaging the debate and refuting his points you went right to the insults. You could have at least offered a counter point attached to the insult. It would've at least held some weight...you know "clued" him in. A lot of what he brings up is of legitimate concern amongst a greater fan base with in this sport.

I'd also like to add that I won't return the negative rep received by you in this thread because I don't feel like a thread like this would be a fair assessment of the reputation you may carry as it pertains to your knowledge of the game and how it might help or not help others. I think the rep button is better used in its rightful capacity. Its not a popularity button.

Good luck friend.

I don't use the rep button for popularity, as the past 'gamers' know. I have given more red in this thread than I have my entire time on the forums. I don't red rep because I just disagree with someone, I will red rep when I believe someone is just trying to antagonize and flame a thread. Which is why you guys have gotten red. I also have recieved red for red-repping. Those clowns did it just because they disagree with me. So be it, I can handle the 24 points I have lost from them. But, now I know a little more about them.

Basically, I'm sick of the trolls on here that flame just to flame. If someone is truly ignorant about something, I will try and help them. In this case, they just want to flame and don't care about the truth. If more people would start using the red button, which I am going to, then maybe some of the trolls would go away, and this forum would get better.
 
I don't use the rep button for popularity, as the past 'gamers' know. I have given more red in this thread than I have my entire time on the forums. I don't red rep because I just disagree with someone, I will red rep when I believe someone is just trying to antagonize and flame a thread. Which is why you guys have gotten red. I also have recieved red for red-repping. Those clowns did it just because they disagree with me. So be it, I can handle the 24 points I have lost from them. But, now I know a little more about them.

Basically, I'm sick of the trolls on here that flame just to flame. If someone is truly ignorant about something, I will try and help them. In this case, they just want to flame and don't care about the truth. If more people would start using the red button, which I am going to, then maybe some of the trolls would go away, and this forum would get better.

I and others have put out well formed opinions. I haven't blatantly ripped on anyone with out at least backing my sentiments up with a reason or purpose. Its not unreasonable that I continue to add my .02 as long as others are and its relevant, or until the thread is locked.

I haven't baited without a willingness to engage in debate over it. By bringing different perspectives to the table the debate can rage on with greater value. I don't consider that trolling.

If I was a troll or trolling wouldn't I have been weeded out of this forum after 4 years. Would I have as much rep as I do now if that was my style.
 
I and others have put out well formed opinions. I haven't blatantly ripped on anyone with out at least backing my sentiments up with a reason or purpose. Its not unreasonable that I continue to add my .02 as long as others are and its relevant, or until the thread is locked.

I haven't baited without a willingness to engage in debate over it. By bringing different perspectives to the table the debate can rage on with greater value. I don't consider that trolling.

If I was a troll or trolling wouldn't I have been weeded out of this forum after 4 years. Would I have as much rep as I do now if that was my style.

LOL! Have you checked your standings in rep? Since you want to use that as a measure? 4 years, and that is all you have, and you somehow think that is good? You rank right in there with the people that very rarely ever post. Nothing wrong with that, but since you seem to think you contribute so much, why doesn't hardly anyone ever green rep you?

And, you aren't just adding your own 2 cents. You are deliberately trying to flame. Not just posting opposing views, you are trying to create arguments.
 
You ladies stop it!;)

Can somebody please post Cliff's notes of the prior 40pg? WTF happened? Who has Lenny's money? Is it in the truck? Where is the truck?:D
 
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