Seeding or No Seeding?

Johnnyt

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What are everyones thoughts on the top players getting seeded at tournaments? I feel if they are that good they don't need a bye or an easy draw the first two matches. I know seeding has gone on for years in pool and other sports but I never liked it. Johnnyt
 
I agree... no seeding.

When the draw is random, the TD's opinion does not come into play.

Less *****ing that way.
 
Assuming there is an open and transparent ranking system on which to seed (big assumption there), I think it's a good thing. The whole idea of seeding is to ensure that the favorites do not play in the early rounds, saving these better matches for later rounds.

I have been involved with seeding sessions (in other sports) without good ranking systems in place and they end up being big arguements with coaches lobbying for the most advantageous seeds for their players. A proper ranking system (like they have in pro tennis as an example) eliminates these arguements.

Dave
 
I am the biggest fan against seeding.

WPBA seeds and it sucks.

Ever wonder why the same folks are always in the finals?

The Derby City Classic has its faults, but I do like the redraw feature.

Ken
 
For Single-Elimination tournaments, seeding may be the best way to get the two best players into the finals. For Double-Elimination, I don't see it as necessary.
 
What are everyones thoughts on the top players getting seeded at tournaments? I feel if they are that good they don't need a bye or an easy draw the first two matches. I know seeding has gone on for years in pool and other sports but I never liked it. Johnnyt


Totaly Agree that pool tournaments for top players should not be seeded in any way. It should be a blind draw so that each and every individual start out on a level playing field.


IMHO, if seeding is going to be done for a tournament, then it should say that on all the advertisements so that everyone that enters understands that. Also, I really would like to know what information individuals are using to seed the players since there really isnt an organized ranking structure for the top players.
 
I have mixed feelings about it. If 2 players travel together say from korea. It would be bad to have to play one another 1st round,but I don't think they should have an easy ride the 1st two matches either
 
Lets have a small contest the day before to see who gets seeded. Like nascar does...I forget what they call it in Nascar, warmups to see what position they start in? In sports everyone knows, it is any given Sunday.

A lagging contest best shot of three. Everyone lags we use a laser to mark each shot and its over in a few min. Some other contest would be great too just something fast and decisive...

The point is the game would be the deciding factor of who gets seeded not predetermined mathmatical formula's.
 
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Seeding, like everything else has it's pro's and cons.

Back when the pro's first started it, it was strickly for selfish reasons. They didn't want to square-off against each other in the early rounds of tournaments. They felt it was there reward for playing pool for a living.

Thge biggest mistake they made was forming an association and limiting the field in tournaments to sixty-four players.

The fields at that time were ready to explode. A tournament in Chicago had drawn over 300 players.

Pool was at the most popular time it had seen in years and they cut their throats by limiting the fields in tournaments. It has never regained the interest it had at that time.

I played in some of their seeded tournaments and I did quite well. I beat the seeded player in my bracket. Therefore I became the seeded player. I managed to cash in the one's I entered.

Today it's a little different. There aren't any point standings to go by as to who should be seated. They go by reputation. I liked it better the other way. Some of the players that were seated by point standings were only there because they could afford to go and play in a lot of events and they earned points because they came to play. Some of them weren't that strong and you could possibly end up in there bracket.

I played in the Eastern States Nine-ball Championships, in New Bedford, Mass. Sixteen players were seeded. The local players beat six of the sixteen seeded players in the first round. There's no guarantee a seeded player will win.
 
Tough Call

I like Jamison's basic idea of having to qualify. The devil might be in the details though. The qualifying should be as similar as possible to the game being played.

As a competitor I like heads up competition and let the devil take the hindmost. As a spectator or somebody trying to make a profit from spectators things are a little different. Things happen and sometimes a person gets a ridiculously soft trip to the semi's or finals. One of the Cuban boxers had that happen in the Olympics once. A by and injured fighters having to withdraw and his first fight was for a medal! The other fighters had gotten intimidated not by the fighter who was an unknown but by his unbelievable luck. Fortunately the Cuban finally had an opponent. He swung twice, the USA boxer swung once, the Cuban's eyes rolled back and the fight was over.

That boxing match is the kind of thing that seeding tries to prevent. Anyone making it to the upper matches has either done it based on a long record of achievements or has upset some people to get there. Either way, the TV rounds are usually worth watching.

I have thought that something like the way sprint car racing events are structured could be a fun way to run a pool event for a bunch of people. Qualifying if a fair way could be figured out, then small events with a few transferring from each smaller event to larger events. Sorta like a round robin but different! :D:D:D People would collect small amounts of cash all along the way. First and second would cash out of maybe eight people in the earliest play.

If I like seeding or not depends on which side of the fence I am on. If I paid to compete I feel I should have the same chance as anyone else, not be served up to a monster on a silver platter in the first round. If I paid my money to watch the event, I don't want to see a hugely lopsided finals.

Hu
 
Well I would like to see some kind of seeding, at least on the seminole tour.
It would be really easy, just use last years points list.
That way you reward the people that actually participate and support your tour.

The reason I feel this way is because I have played 6 events on the seminole tour this year and I have played corey deuel 3 times in the 1st or 2nd round. I have played rodney morris , svb, ralph eckart, mike davis 1st or 2nd round.

Im not saying that Im scared to play them or anything but I think seeding is fair considering I was 6th or 7th on the points list last year and shouldnt have to play another top ranked player in the 1st or 2nd round
 
Seeding helps get more famous players get to the TV rounds on TV.

Other than that, I don't think seeding is a good thing.
 
I think seeding at for example the WPBA or the Eurotour is a good idea, because they have a proper tour with ranking, and it's rewarding those who perform good at a regular basis.

At tournaments like for example the US Open, Derby City Classic etc I think it should be no seeding.
 
I think seeding at for example the WPBA or the Eurotour is a good idea, because they have a proper tour with ranking, and it's rewarding those who perform good at a regular basis.

At tournaments like for example the US Open, Derby City Classic etc I think it should be no seeding.

So you want to give Jasmin, Ga Youg Kim and the rest of the top players a head start? Johnnyt
 
Money...

I believe it is all about the money. If you win your first two matches, then usually you are in the money I believe...or very close to it...

I could be wrong here but when only 1/4 of the field is getting paid, seeding the better players gives them a better chance to get to the Money....

just a thought...

Mr. J.
 
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