runs over 400 on 9ft tables
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The Artistic Billiard competition has a 6-cushion drive with dead-draw gather that is essentially a full-ball stop shot. With ivories, you have to hit the ball lower for the reasons I explained above.
Are you asking how "high" Mr3Cushion can "run" (with "change" in his pockets)? Methinks that would depend on the grade (how steep) the hill is, as well as what physical condition he's in. And, Mr3Cushion doesn't have "pockets" -- he plays Pocketless Pool:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SvYeqLg4dQU
Ok, ok, I'll stop with the funny business.In all seriousness, how about Dick Jaspers run of "20" at the 2009 World Games?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-EjUvF5Lg0
That's probably the highest run -- on video yet -- that I've ever seen.
-Sean
It's in the low 30's I think, but I'm not sure of the exact number and how many have run 30 or more. Damn few, I'm sure of that.
I only respond to point out that Willie Hoppe ran 25 in an exhibition in 1918. Averages are much higher today (for reasons I'd love to hear Bill Smith expound on) but the old-timers could play too.
Grey; Where you been, long time no hear! You just about missed the boat on the first edition.
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
Old -Time 3C and Pocket Billiard Players Maybe one or two could run a 100 balls.
Recent Article From Tom DR. Cue Rossman http://professorqball.com/?p=5272 in ProfessorQBall Magazine
Recent Article From Tom DR. Cue Rossman http://professorqball.com/?p=5272 in ProfessorQBall Magazine
Great picture Bob, I can tell you the man with the mask,"The Masked Marvel" is none other than Joe "Iron Man" Procita. Alot of talent arrived for that photo!
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
On the main forum we often have pics like this and Jay Helfert and Freddy have a great time naming everybody - except those pics are usually from 70's and 80's. This one is undoubtedly from the 30's. OK, I'll try.
Erwin Rudolph - seated second from left
Willie Mosconi - seated third from left
Kinrey Matsuyama - seated fifth from left
Jimmy Caras - seated second from right
Jay Bozeman - standing second from left
Willie Hoppe - standing fifth from left
Andrew Ponzi - standing sixth from left
Ruth McGinness - the woman
Johnny Layton - standing fifth from right
Welker Cochran ?? - standing fourth from right
Frank Taberski - standing third from right
That's the best I can do. Bobby? Bill?
Funny Greenleaf isn't there - guess he was in the bar.
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3C for 'pool' players
Mr Williebetmore;
I really do not post to correct you (but your ARE wrong so many times). The real reason your instructors insist that you learn 3 cushion is so you do not get so frustrated in making high runs that are in the single digits.
As far as the 'disappearing of balls' in the pockets. . . . .this is also a bogus argument on why you should learn 3C. After all, when you do attempt to play pool, the balls almost NEVER disappear. I strongly suggest you go back to playing doctor and leave the pool/3C playing to those of us are capable of executing and enjoyiing the results of perfectly played shots.
Perhaps you should just invest in the Fischer Price learning pool table. It might be a challenge you can handle:thumbup:
See ya later - by the way did you ever get the 'CUP' out of hock???
Mark Griffin
Mr Williebetmore;
I really do not post to correct you (but your ARE wrong so many times). The real reason your instructors insist that you learn 3 cushion is so you do not get so frustrated in making high runs that are in the single digits.
As far as the 'disappearing of balls' in the pockets. . . . .this is also a bogus argument on why you should learn 3C. After all, when you do attempt to play pool, the balls almost NEVER disappear. I strongly suggest you go back to playing doctor and leave the pool/3C playing to those of us are capable of executing and enjoyiing the results of perfectly played shots.
Perhaps you should just invest in the Fischer Price learning pool table. It might be a challenge you can handle:thumbup:
See ya later - by the way did you ever get the 'CUP' out of hock???
Mark Griffin
Mr. Griffith,
Though I loved your brother Andy's television show; it is obvious that none of his friendliness and good nature rubbed off on you (though it appears that Barney showed you everything you know about pool).
I will point out that the last time we played, I could have made more balls "disappear" if I wanted to; I just didn't want to embarrass you.
Though I know you favor the Fisher Price tables (as appropriate for your skill level, and for your behavioral age level), our next match will need to be on a real table. Should you ever grow a backbone, you may again challenge for the magnificence that is the Betmore Cup (it still resides in its proper place in Betmore's Basement).
14.1 runs over 400
Over 400 is an amazing feat on any kind of valid equipment. I spent a lot of time with George Rood over a ten year period and he told me his high run was 376 or something like that with mudballs and dimensional cloth. he basically says that the old equipment and the new pretty much equal out in how difficult it would be to do. I would have thought it would have been harder with the old equipment but I'll take his word for it since I can't play dead.
Over 400 is an amazing feat on any kind of valid equipment. I spent a lot of time with George Rood over a ten year period and he told me his high run was 376 or something like that with mudballs and dimensional cloth. he basically says that the old equipment and the new pretty much equal out in how difficult it would be to do. I would have thought it would have been harder with the old equipment but I'll take his word for it since I can't play dead.
The highest run ever made in 3-cushion is 47 by Hall of Famer Sang Lee...
Do you have any support for this unbelievable statement? The Hugo Patino and Semih Sayginer runs of 31 are the highest I've ever read about.
After reading your comment I tried to remember who told me that sang lee did 47...
And to be honest after thinking about it he is not the person who is telling the truth all the time :sorry:
I looked up and found out that Lee's high run is 28...
Actually I couldnt believe the 47 myself...
I know that in the german league there was a player from turkey (not sayginer) who did 30 some years ago so I couldn't believe that 31 is the record though...
I apologize for my wrong statement :sorry:
By the way: could somebody help me with the avatar thing? can't add mine here :-(
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The highest run in competition (as opposed to practice) is 28 which is jointly held by Komori and Raymond Ceulemans. They both set the mark during matches in the Dutch League. I think that most long matches might be in the Dutch League now that most tournaments are played in 15-point sets. That league plays to 50 points.
As for the set format, from a previous thread about the 2008 European Championships:
In one stretch Jaspers made: 13 and out, 15 and out, 6 off the break. That's 34 billiards without a miss.
Hi all,
uhm, now i forgot to quote the thread i saw -_- , sorry for that- it was the thread where somethin was said like *3C would be a must have, to be a bettter pool player*.
I don t know who said something like that seriously....but imo that s totally nonsense!
But for sure there are some points that perhaps should be said, why sentences/tales like this came up over the decades. If someone started to play Carambolage seriously, and he entered a club-room.....they forced those guys ALWAYS to walk through ALL OF THE TECHNICAL DISCIPLINES of Carom. And if you did that, you would have OF COURSE a far better technical *billiard-course* than a local pool-player where it has been always hard to find a qualified instructor. To show up all of these theses, phrases etc would take too long. But this changed in the last 25 years totally and that s why Carom is a bit lke dying atm....
Don t misunderstood me- i like Billiards in its all disciplines-and i also played often 3C. And absolutley always with guys who were world-class...and perhaps in the worst case just with *top german players*. And you can believe me, the most of em talked the same way to me- If someone has a just a bit of the ability to *instruct* someone to learn billiard, or even if he s just able to decice to say *this one has a good technique or a bad technique* he would NEVER say somethin like that (to give any billiards-discipline an advantage or so). It s just given, that in some disciplines you re forced a bit more to start with a solid technique. And that s the main problem of our sport. Without a good technique you ll never reach the top!
I played so many excellent 3C Players that i m not able to count it- and i never played 3C seriously in a team- but in training games i also finished 3C games til 30 in about 20 innings- but that was just training. And if the opponent took it as a competition........uhm, then everyone was able to see the big difference....then they all slaughtered me. On the other side there were many guys of these popular 3c Players who wanted to play straight-pool *to learn* about it and not just *talk* about it. And i loved to show em, how low the chances are for them, to have a minimal chance to beat a good pool-player- I never lost a straight pool game against one of them. There is just one crazy man, who s got a god given talent, and this was and is Torbjärn Blomdahl. Extremly nice, smart and an interested billiards-gentleman. He finished a 9 Ball set til 7 against me in 2 Innings...that was impressive-but really the only time i saw something like this.
*uhm, where was the topic.....LOL*-sry the typing-devil* caught me a bit^^ and felt a bit back in memories...
At least i just wanted to say what ppl like Blomdahl, The *BIG*ceulemans,Spielmann or all the other would say- Absolutley EACH of the excellent pool-players would be also able to play excellent 3C.
In each sport is always just one difference: There are excellent.....or *not so excellent* players* (sounds better
)
And last but not least, it s just important to love what you do- you can have the same satisfaction running 25 balls like another would have satisfaction runnin 200 balls, it s just a point of view, nothin more..
Ok, sorry if i ran so far offtopic (am i? lol!)
lg,
Ingo, who loves each kind of billiards, just loving pool a bit more
uhm, now i forgot to quote the thread i saw -_- , sorry for that- it was the thread where somethin was said like *3C would be a must have, to be a bettter pool player*.
I don t know who said something like that seriously....but imo that s totally nonsense!
But for sure there are some points that perhaps should be said, why sentences/tales like this came up over the decades. If someone started to play Carambolage seriously, and he entered a club-room.....they forced those guys ALWAYS to walk through ALL OF THE TECHNICAL DISCIPLINES of Carom. And if you did that, you would have OF COURSE a far better technical *billiard-course* than a local pool-player where it has been always hard to find a qualified instructor. To show up all of these theses, phrases etc would take too long. But this changed in the last 25 years totally and that s why Carom is a bit lke dying atm....
Don t misunderstood me- i like Billiards in its all disciplines-and i also played often 3C. And absolutley always with guys who were world-class...and perhaps in the worst case just with *top german players*. And you can believe me, the most of em talked the same way to me- If someone has a just a bit of the ability to *instruct* someone to learn billiard, or even if he s just able to decice to say *this one has a good technique or a bad technique* he would NEVER say somethin like that (to give any billiards-discipline an advantage or so). It s just given, that in some disciplines you re forced a bit more to start with a solid technique. And that s the main problem of our sport. Without a good technique you ll never reach the top!
I played so many excellent 3C Players that i m not able to count it- and i never played 3C seriously in a team- but in training games i also finished 3C games til 30 in about 20 innings- but that was just training. And if the opponent took it as a competition........uhm, then everyone was able to see the big difference....then they all slaughtered me. On the other side there were many guys of these popular 3c Players who wanted to play straight-pool *to learn* about it and not just *talk* about it. And i loved to show em, how low the chances are for them, to have a minimal chance to beat a good pool-player- I never lost a straight pool game against one of them. There is just one crazy man, who s got a god given talent, and this was and is Torbjärn Blomdahl. Extremly nice, smart and an interested billiards-gentleman. He finished a 9 Ball set til 7 against me in 2 Innings...that was impressive-but really the only time i saw something like this.
*uhm, where was the topic.....LOL*-sry the typing-devil* caught me a bit^^ and felt a bit back in memories...
At least i just wanted to say what ppl like Blomdahl, The *BIG*ceulemans,Spielmann or all the other would say- Absolutley EACH of the excellent pool-players would be also able to play excellent 3C.
In each sport is always just one difference: There are excellent.....or *not so excellent* players* (sounds better
)And last but not least, it s just important to love what you do- you can have the same satisfaction running 25 balls like another would have satisfaction runnin 200 balls, it s just a point of view, nothin more..
Ok, sorry if i ran so far offtopic (am i? lol!)
lg,
Ingo, who loves each kind of billiards, just loving pool a bit more