Thomas Wayne lose his diginity on Cuezilla.

When looking at your videos I saw this one for FIVE axis CNC. Just THINK
Personally, I don't use cues with lower than SIX axis CNC machine work. I just can't HIT RIGHT with anything less :)

I found that i don't realy get a "pop" in my game until about 7 or 8 axis's, or is it axis' - whatever- they can cut the wood, wrap the cue, apply the decals, paint it, and ship it.

Chris
 
I found that i don't realy get a "pop" in my game until about 7 or 8 axis's, or is it axis' - whatever- they can cut the wood, wrap the cue, apply the decals, paint it, and ship it.

Chris

axes (acksees)
 
Nobody questioned Mike's intelligence. I'm sure he's a smart guy. I've interacted quite a lot with Thomas Wayne over the years. Trust me, he too is a smart guy. Yes as smart as scientists at JPL or Los Alamos. This is not really the issue.

So does a smart guy like that know the difference between a flat inlay and an inlay that wraps around a cue? According to TW, he thinks Mike doesn't.

I'm a retard and I know the difference.
 


Cuemasterpieces

I think you have hit on what the actual issue is.

From conversations with most of my machinist friends, if they watched these videos, they would say that this is all 4th axis machining and not 4 axis machining. In all of these videos, there are no more than 3 axis moving at any time, and most of the time its really just 2 axis at one time. The second one, cutting the cam lobe in the wood block, uses A, Y, and Z simultaneously, but the others are just A and X at the same time.

I think the Lambro's cue was made using the A, and X at the same time. This is what is shown in the graphic demo. This is what the machinists that I know would call 4th axis machining, and not 4 axis machining.

Thomas Wayne, according to his comments, often uses all 4 axis at one time. Personally, I can't think of how true 4 axis machining would be necessary in a cue, but if Thomas Wayne says it is, then I believe it is. The man is brilliant. He needs a PR person, but he is brilliant.

Both are excellent craftsmen and cuemakers who have created their own niche in the pool world. I certainly believe there is room for both of them and hope this controversy goes away as soon as possible. It just isn't good for an industry that is suffering right now.
 
So does a smart guy like that know the difference between a flat inlay and an inlay that wraps around a cue? According to TW, he thinks Mike doesn't.

I'm a retard and I know the difference.

So what is your opinion when Bill Stroud AND Thomas Wayne say that Mike's cue isn't what he says it is? Mike's REALLY smart. Thomas is REALLY smart. Bill is REALLY smart, and has probably been making cues longer than both men combined. He pioneered the Uni-loc and Radial pins.

That doesn't take anything away from Mike's cue. It is still a monster. However, the godfathers of 4-axis CNC are allowed to get their nose bent a little out of shape because of misuse of a term they hold very dear to their intellectual cue-making hearts.
 
So what is your opinion when Bill Stroud AND Thomas Wayne say that Mike's cue isn't what he says it is? Mike's REALLY smart. Thomas is REALLY smart. Bill is REALLY smart, and has probably been making cues longer than both men combined. He pioneered the Uni-loc and Radial pins.

That doesn't take anything away from Mike's cue. It is still a monster. However, the godfathers of 4-axis CNC are allowed to get their nose bent a little out of shape because of misuse of a term they hold very dear to their intellectual cue-making hearts.

I think the point is TW said ML's inlays were "flat" and called him a fraud. That has nothing to do with misuse of a term. If I recall, he accused Mike of using filler epoxy at the bottom of those inlays. He said he would prove that they're flat. So, I guess I can't wait to see what he has to say.
 
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It doesn't matter......its all archaic...

Think that 4th axis whatever is the top gear? LOL.....check out this little machine!!!! (SERIOUSLY GO WATCH VERY VERY COOL)

THIS IS A 6 AXIS MACHINE......but there are machines out there with 8 axis capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM

How would you like to have a machine that could walk up to a blank and cut the pockets and then move over to your inlay slabs and cut those too......

Hey ERIC.....lets gets together a cool half million so i can make about 1,000 of these.....have a whole shop of automated cue building spiders....

and you thought employing illegals was cost effective.....

my spider cue makers will do my bidding....when customers dont pay i'll send them skittering down the street after them at their house......drag you back to the shop and make you pay up lol....give me the money or they are going to CNC "I'M A NIT" in your forehead and inlay it with turquoise. (NOT TURQUOISE:eek:E)

Arachnid brand pool cues......dude we could make probably a 1000 cues a month and have no pay roll......export them all to china

we could bust the kao kao factory lmfao

fourth axis smourth axis.....lol.....come to me my pets AND DO YOUR MASTERS WORK!!!!!:mad:.....

Spider cue, spider cue, doing the things no other cue can do... spider cue, spider cue.....
 

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Frankly, it's all a matter of terminology and not worth arguing about.


I think this is the best description here. I don't believe there are any stone tablets from Moses to Balabushka about terminology or techniques with cue building. Many guys probably describe the same process in different ways. I have heard "re-cut" points and "bridge" points described in multiple ways by different cue makers and this is something that's been around for decades. Lambros took the time to put online how he built this beautiful cue, whether all the descriptions are 100% technically and grammatically correct isn't the most relevant thing here. Sharing that information took a lot of time and he should be thanked for it.
 
THIS IS A 6 AXIS MACHINE......but there are machines out there with 8 axis capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM.

I've worked in the world of 6-axis motion for 18 years. I led the development of a 15-axis system (maybe was more) last year. All one controller. All coordinated motion.

Misleading as all hell, but if we're all just redefining things, I might as well, too. Hell, I worked on a robot line that had 22 6-axis robots all moving at the same time. I guess that was 132-axis system. 22 controllers though.

Fred <~~~ just for levity boys, settle down
 
Sean,

Have you seen that show "Deadliest Warrior". They do things like CIA versus KGB, Atilla the Hun versdus Alexander the Great? (you can google it and watch reruns on the net - it's on Spike and it's a kick). The computer decides on who wins because each weapon or tool is measured against the opponent's.

Anyway, maybe we need Dealiest Cuemaker, Thomas Wayne versus Mike Lambros.

Thomas Wayne is armed with with a Mac and a 5 Axis Cam Express Version 7, a Binks spray gun with automotive polyurethane with a buffing wheel, a 3/8 X 10 double headed furniture screw, Gabon Ebony, and Elforyn Ivory substitute.

Mike Lambros has a 3 Axis Centroid, a PC with a Pentium, UV spray system with pumice, a radial pin, a real ivory tusk, and abalone.

---- The battle begins. both the CNC jockeys mount their stock as they begin to make a cue.

Lambros has his set up in 30 minutes and is milling on his trusty 3 Axis Centroid, with ivory filings and dust filling the air while Wayne is still reading the manual to figure out where the "on" button is located on his super complicated Cam Express.

Finally Wayne gets his stock mounted and the 5 axis Cam Express roars to life, but Lambros is almost done pushing his slow but reliable 3 axis machine to the limit.

- Then - disater strikes, as the Lambros PC succumbs to a renegade worm virus he got surfing -shall we say - questionable internet sites. He sheepishly explains that he thought "live cam" was a new 4 axis CNC router!

Anyway, Lambros downloads the fix and it's back to the races. Both cue makers pull their cues off to cut the inlays. Wayne's powerful machine is set too high and too deep, and turns his Elforyn into a steaming pile of silly putty.

-- Meanwhile, Lambros comes to the grim realization that 3 axis has it's limits. He is going to have to do the unthinkable - something he's never actually attemped before and no cue maker has attemped in the last 10 years. He's going to have to sand the cue by hand! He has read about this grim deed but is not sure exactly what to do. He slowly rubs the abalone and realizes that sanding is not that bad of a thing and in fact, it gave him a strange sense of pleasure - like he himself had done something, something good!

- Wayne goes to insert the 3/8 X 10 and realizes the damn die was cut too small, so he crossthreads it and has to add a phenolic insert -oh well, it's a black cue, who cares? It's only a 20K cue anyway. Meanwhile Lambros has the more expensive and foolproof radial pin, which fits perfect every time as long as you don't go for the stinkin' copies (shame on you who buy those, you know who you are too).

- They both finish the cues in about the same time before Wayne reaches for his Binks. He knows that he has to mix the automotive clear 'hot" or the Lambros UV system will eat his lunch. Wayne throws on 3 coats and catches air bubbles - he thinks he may be able to buff through them. He blames it on buzz cause his mask has a couple of cracks. Meanwhile, the Lambros cue is basking in the UV radiation, glowing purple like George Hamilton on a bad day. Lamrbos is putting on the water and pumice and Wayne is buffing away.

And the winner is.....

Stay tuned for part two, and now a word from our sponsor.

Tater.....I had no idea.:eek:
You need to be writing for some of the boring ass TV shows on now a days.:wink:
 
Thomas Wayne, according to his comments, often uses all 4 axis at one time. Personally, I can't think of how true 4 axis machining would be necessary in a cue, but if Thomas Wayne says it is, then I believe it is. The man is brilliant. He needs a PR person, but he is brilliant.


I'd have to agree with you. Thomas used to frolic over on RSB and frankly, I'd have a real hard time disagreeing with almost anything he says about master-level cue making. That Bill (also an RSB alum) has seconded Thomas' position kinda seals the deal for me.

Pretty cue though.

Lou Figueroa
not volunteering
for the PR job
 
i think mr wayne should get a public slap across his face
you know the kind where its so loud the person doesnt know what to do

just for being a dck-i dont care if hes right or wrong about the information because it was rude and uncalled for.

i dont love lambros or anyone else, but being a profesional in the public forums or spotlight you have to conduct yourself in a certain manner-bashing another well established cuemaker was beyond foolish .

it was immature and definetely diva-ish
aside from the fact that most of us dont know the correct answers to the
axis problem(im going to night school to learn)
wayne just kept fightin-but he was fighting for nothing-lambros and some other guy kept trying to politely diffuse and he kept coming back so for that reason every time someone sees thomas wayne they should engage him in conversation then SLAAAAAAP!
 
i think mr wayne should get a public slap across his face
you know the kind where its so loud the person doesnt know what to do

just for being a dck-i dont care if hes right or wrong about the information because it was rude and uncalled for.

i dont love lambros or anyone else, but being a profesional in the public forums or spotlight you have to conduct yourself in a certain manner-bashing another well established cuemaker was beyond foolish .

it was immature and definetely diva-ish
aside from the fact that most of us dont know the correct answers to the
axis problem(im going to night school to learn)
wayne just kept fightin-but he was fighting for nothing-lambros and some other guy kept trying to politely diffuse and he kept coming back so for that reason every time someone sees thomas wayne they should engage him in conversation then SLAAAAAAP!


When it comes to cue making at its highest levels, Thomas is one of the very, very few guys that gets a pass on being a diva. He's earned it -- the unbelievable cues he's made were out there a long time ago.

Lou Figueroa
 
When it comes to cue making at its highest levels, Thomas is one of the very, very few guys that gets a pass on being a diva. He's earned it -- the unbelievable cues he's made were out there a long time ago.

Lou Figueroa

Have I earned a Diva Pass yet? ;-)
 
When it comes to cue making at its highest levels, Thomas is one of the very, very few guys that gets a pass on being a diva. He's earned it -- the unbelievable cues he's made were out there a long time ago.

Lou Figueroa


Do the cues he's now building stay straight upon entering US air space and is he delivering cues which have been prepaid as promised?
 
So if i am adding homemade pesto sauce to a pot of pasta, and am spinning the pot clockwise, while folding the pasta/sauce counter clockwise and moving the spoon up and down, how many axis' is that?
 
So if i am adding homemade pesto sauce to a pot of pasta, and am spinning the pot clockwise, while folding the pasta/sauce counter clockwise and moving the spoon up and down, how many axis' is that?


bout as many as playin 10 toes up n 10 toes down and 2 asses goin roun n roun
 
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