Worlds Greatest Player vs. the Peoples Champion

6" break box, why doesnt earl just put a dot on the table where SVB has to break from. I mean come on. So he also thinks he lost because shane made like 10, 10 ball breaks in their race to 100, so he's taking that out of the equation. I mean, I see where he is trying to get an edge, even if it's mental, but SVB is going to run him over just like before. Pretty excited to watch though, very interested what they will be playing on. So Diamond can't make a 10fter, even on custom request? just curious.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
6" break box, why doesnt earl just put a dot on the table where SVB has to break from. I mean come on. So he also thinks he lost because shane made like 10, 10 ball breaks in their race to 100, so he's taking that out of the equation. I mean, I see where he is trying to get an edge, even if it's mental, but SVB is going to run him over just like before. Pretty excited to watch though, very interested what they will be playing on. So Diamond can't make a 10fter, even on custom request? just curious.
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Actually..it's on my list of things still to get done with Diamond, as well as a heated 5'x10' 3C 2" 4 piece slate billiards table. They're both summer projects coming up, as it is...I've finished Diamond's 9ft straight rail billiards table...so, now I have to go out and promote it until it becomes common knowledge that Diamond manufactures that size and kind of table...so much for your thinking Diamond has fired me...right;)

Glen
 
I understand the races to 100, but I think they'd be better if they were broke down into 10 races to 10, and after wining a set the winner would move a head by 1 point, then start the next race to 10...kind of like round by round as in boxing. I also feel races to 10 would bring out the best in each player instead of playing for endurance going to 100. Winner breaks...and let it fly! If a player gets a head by enough points, to where the loser can't possibly win...why prolong the event?
 
1) If SVB accepted the big table and tight shot clock without really thinking about them--then he could get a surprise. If Earl is practicing all the time on the big table, and SVB isn't--it could get very unpleasant for SVB.

2) OTOH, the real premise of this match is: Will Earl finally getting things the way he wants them (big table, quick play) keep him from LOSING HIS MIND if he misses a shot (or...whatever)? So far, I've never seen Earl FAIL to mentally break up and crash if given the slightest opportunity....


I'm a major Earl fan...but it's too bad, over the years, he's lost more and more consistently to his arch enemy: himself.


Bottom line: If Shane applies his legendary dedication to practice and focuses exclusively on the big table between now and mid-Feburary, he has to be the heavy favorite.
 
How many times has one of us lost to someone, or even 2 sets playing
them. Played them the next time on a diff day and beat them and beat them every time you play after that. I dont think because SVB beat him years ago
that has much to do with the outcome of this match. Earl probably feels
he didn't perform well in the first match. I dont think Earl has to lose.
He might but I dont think its a lock. JMO
 
realkingcobra said:
I understand the races to 100, but I think they'd be better if they were broke down into 10 races to 10, and after wining a set the winner would move a head by 1 point, then start the next race to 10...kind of like round by round as in boxing. I also feel races to 10 would bring out the best in each player instead of playing for endurance going to 100. Winner breaks...and let it fly! If a player gets a head by enough points, to where the loser can't possibly win...why prolong the event?
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you know Glenn thats a very good idea and is reminiscent of tennis.....

hell make it races to 10 that must be won by 2.......play so many sets for a box score and play so many "boxes"

i like this idea....its simple
 
gulyassy said:
Here we go. Earl will play SVB on a 5x10 Diamond, 10 ball, race to 100 in 3 days. They will play at Ice Breakers Billiards in Youngstown Ohio sometime in February, probably the 11th, actual date will be published next week. The rules are 6 inch break box, call shot with the option, 10 ball last and a 40 second shot clock with a referee. The original professional table will be the battle field, a 5x10. Now lets see who the greatest player is. One stipulation is that the player that loses has the option to play another race the very next weekend on a 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond. This will be live streamed and taped for DVD sales. Now were talking.
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No, now you are gambling.

Should be great.
 
Hmm. I just wonder how many 3C tables are sold in the US and if someone is in the market, would they take it over the established 3C tables, like gabriels. idk. anyways, I am very interested in the thought of a potential 5x10 diamond pro. I would buy it in the future. go svb.
 
GetMeThere said:
1) If SVB accepted the big table and tight shot clock without really thinking about them--then he could get a surprise. If Earl is practicing all the time on the big table, and SVB isn't--it could get very unpleasant for SVB.
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Earl lives in Greensboro, NC, as do I. He plays mostly out of Gate City Billiards, which does not not have a 10'er. I don't think any pool hall in this area has one.

I seriously doubt Earl has had significant 10' table time lately.


I can't say I've ever even seen a 10'er nor ever watched a match on one. How does game strategy change due to the extra room? I'd guess this match will be a shot makers paradise. I'd assume "blocker" safety play will be more difficult on a 10'er, and more "distance" safety play will be relied upon.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
Hmm. I just wonder how many 3C tables are sold in the US and if someone is in the market, would they take it over the established 3C tables, like gabriels. idk. anyways, I am very interested in the thought of a potential 5x10 diamond pro. I would buy it in the future. go svb.
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Look at it this way, there's an entire market out here that already exists...on the "worst" 9ft straight rail billiards tables on the planet. I'm not creating the demand...it's already there, Diamond is just filling the gap by taking the same construction used in the 9ft ProAm's and using that to build the straight rail billiards tables, to replace what already exists.

There are about 600 3C tables imported and sold in this country every year...key word there is "imported"...which means major shipping expenses, duty taxes, and from manufactures you can't get into contact with if you have a problem.

Diamond, on the other hand is IN this country, and it's nothing to design a much better 3C table than what's being imported already. I'm not interested in creating "styling" 3C tables...only ones that play the best, so there'll only be ONE look to the Diamond 3C table....and that look is the look of a perfect playing table;)

And as far as YOU buying a Diamond 5'x10' ProAm....guess who's delivering them...all?;)

Glen
 
tho i don't see the size of the table in regards to walking around becoming a factor in the match.......maybe if they played it straight through to 100 but thats not the case.........


-Grey Ghost-[/QUOTE]

GG what I'm referencing is with a 40 sec shot clock it will take more time actually walking from shot to sho.t I just think Earl thinks quicker on his feet than Shane, meaning he's able to change his mind when down on the shot and still get the results he's after. If Earls got this monster 63'' cue stick he will be able to reach shots down table allot more than Shane and using the crutch WILL become a factor. Since I'm 6'6'' I've always had a big advantage with ''One Foot On the Floor Rule'', plus I used the rake during my prime once or twice a mth.
Another item that may work against Earl tho, the weight of his cue, what is it 23 oz, that's a hell of a lot more weight being swung at 1,000 balls than Shanes cue weight, but does Shanes cue weight have enough umph to hit the long drives like Tiger Woods, meaning a 18-20 foot up/down draw shot?
 
greyghost said:
you know Glenn thats a very good idea and is reminiscent of tennis.....

hell make it races to 10 that must be won by 2.......play so many sets for a box score and play so many "boxes"

i like this idea....its simple
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I just think comfortable leads can be maintained to the finish line, which to me is boring. It don't bring out the best in a player coasting to the finish line...when all the player has to do...is maintain that lead. But, now if that lead had to be recaptured every race to 10...then in the sprint races you'd see the best each player has to offer...maybe even some 10 packs...who knows. I do know that this kind of play would stop a player from coasting to the lead, and at the same time, give those watching 10 rounds of consistent action...unless the players are mis-matched, in which case...it also provides an easy out...by the fact that at a certain point in the lead...the looser can't possibly win on points....so, call it a knockout...throw in the towel!

Glen

PS. This also opens the door to calling a match a draw...with both players being equal in their abilities to play!
 
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the table is one foot longer, give me a break. I think the width of the table is going to make the greatest difference, the length of the table will not come into effect quite as much. Have you ever seen shane not have enough cue power on a 9fter to draw where he needs to get? Why would a foot or two make a difference. This is getting blown way outta proportion, this is why they are pros, I guarantee this kind of stuff never pollutes they're mind.
 
cleary said:
Eliminating luck is one thing but is that really what's going on here?

It's pretty clear Earl thinks the table size gives him an advantage....
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C-man,
I've heard Earl ramble for a half hour on why tournaments should be contested on 10 footers; and his reason was ALWAYS eliminating the luck factor as much as possible.

I have never heard him say that he thought he needed an advantage to beat any player in the world. He's a fairly confident individual. He is also fairly straight forward, its hard to believe that he has been proposing 10 footers for years just to get an "advantage." This guy LOVES pool, more than about anybody I've met - he does have some concrete ideas on what would be best for the game.

Having said that, he thinks he is the favorite whether its 7 foot, 8 foot, 9 foot, 10 foot, or 30 foot table.

If you've spoken to Earl, and he told you that he did this for an advantage then please ignore this post. Maybe bfdlad could get Earl's statement on this matter; he doesn't tend to hide what's on his mind.:)
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
Earl lives in Greensboro, NC, as do I. He plays mostly out of Gate City Billiards, which does not not have a 10'er. I don't think any pool hall in this area has one.

I seriously doubt Earl has had significant 10' table time lately.


I can't say I've ever even seen a 10'er nor ever watched a match on one. How does game strategy change due to the extra room? I'd guess this match will be a shot makers paradise. I'd assume "blocker" safety play will be more difficult on a 10'er, and more "distance" safety play will be relied upon.
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So Earl doesn't have a table at home (maybe a 10 footer?)? Hmmm, then maybe this is just one of those nutty, Earl ideas. Someone who had really put in their dues on a 10 footer could hand some surprises to someone who hadn't. The first time I played on one, after having played on 9 footers--it felt like playing on a FOOTBALL FIELD. Shots felt IMPOSSIBLE. What a shock; I'll never forget it.
 
Island Drive said:
tho i don't see the size of the table in regards to walking around becoming a factor in the match.......maybe if they played it straight through to 100 but thats not the case.........


-Grey Ghost-
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GG what I'm referencing is with a 40 sec shot clock it will take more time actually walking from shot to sho.t I just think Earl thinks quicker on his feet than Shane, meaning he's able to change his mind when down on the shot and still get the results he's after. If Earls got this monster 63'' cue stick he will be able to reach shots down table allot more than Shane and using the crutch WILL become a factor. Since I'm 6'6'' I've always had a big advantage with ''One Foot On the Floor Rule'', plus I used the rake during my prime once or twice a mth.
Another item that may work against Earl tho, the weight of his cue, what is it 23 oz, that's a hell of a lot more weight being swung at 1,000 balls than Shanes cue weight, but does Shanes cue weight have enough umph to hit the long drives like Tiger Woods, meaning a 18-20 foot up/down draw shot?[/QUOTE]

We're only talking about 6" wider and 12" longer, same difference between an 8ft table and a 9ft...we're not talking about a 6'x12' snooker table;)
 
Williebetmore said:
C-man,
I've heard Earl ramble for a half hour on why tournaments should be contested on 10 footers; and his reason was ALWAYS eliminating the luck factor as much as possible.

I have never heard him say that he thought he needed an advantage to beat any player in the world. He's a fairly confident individual. He is also fairly straight forward, its hard to believe that he has been proposing 10 footers for years just to get an "advantage." This guy LOVES pool, more than about anybody I've met - he does have some concrete ideas on what would be best for the game.

Having said that, he thinks he is the favorite whether its 7 foot, 8 foot, 9 foot, 10 foot, or 30 foot table.

If you've spoken to Earl, and he told you that he did this for an advantage then please ignore this post. Maybe bfdlad could get Earl's statement on this matter; he doesn't tend to hide what's on his mind.:)
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What? What POSSIBLE reason could it be, other than to "give him an advantage?" Earl thinks he's a better shot maker, and he thinks a ten foot table will emphasize that difference--and thereby give him an advantage.
 
Wow this is great. I will definitely be there. Shane is my favorite player and earl is a living legend. This should be great!!!
 
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